DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Alacran]

This game is simply getting more popular, more options can only be a good thing. Missing a duel/ spar mode (something in a great deal of this games competitors), in my opinion is detrimental. Not only does it fit the Lore of a fantasy themed game (every one duels in the msq people) it would (as many have pointed out) offer something to do on the down time of raids, dungeons, hunts, ect... We are going to Ishgard ladies and gents, a place on knights, where honor and martial skill is paramount. What better place, what better expansion than this to see such a feature?

[Vlady]

This game is simply getting more popular, more options can only be a good thing. Missing a duel/ spar mode (something in a great deal of this games competitors), in my opinion is detrimental. Not only does it fit the Lore of a fantasy themed game (every one duels in the msq people) it would (as many have pointed out) offer something to do on the down time of raids, dungeons, hunts, ect... We are going to Ishgard ladies and gents, a place on knights, where honor and martial skill is paramount. What better place, what better expansion than this to see such a feature?

The only reason this game is getting more popular is because it is pve focused when alot of people are tired of mmo's being a hybrid of pve/pvp that throws balanced out of whack and causes a certain company to completely change around all jobs/classes every 6 months because of balance issues. Say no to /duels in this game. FF should not be another forum for e-peen cheaters to try to brow beat superiority and dominance into the other 99% of the players who enjoy the game as a pve oriented game. Please do not add pvp to FF 14 more then it already has.

[Nalien]

The only reason this game is getting more popular is because it is pve focused

I love how people still stick to the mentality that PvE and PvP can't coexist, despite the fact that SE has already proven they can implement PvP without destroying PvE balance. If anything the PvP balance is what's getting screwed over, PvE balance hasn't been impacted by PvP in the slightest.

It's almost as silly as the logical fallacy that, somehow, in a game that is 90% PvE, implementing anything PvP will suddenly turn the entirety of the player base into raging assholes. I'd really love to know, exactly, how adding duels would suddenly fundamentally change the player base. Duels aren't even something PvPers would use for e-peen. This is such an absurd line of argument... More so when the raiding community is far more guilty of such behavior than the PvP community currently.

[Gilthas]

More so when the raiding community is far more guilty of such behavior than the PvP community currently.

Sure, but you only really encounter the raiding community inside raids.

[Nalien]

Sure, but you only really encounter the raiding community inside raids.

Are you suggesting the same wouldn't be true for PvP? I mean, it's already the case that the PvP community generally sticks to the PvP subsection. I don't think I've ever seen people shouting over PvP in game.

Meanwhile the PvE community is constantly arguing over utter inane bullsh*t. Any Crystal Tower run is proof enough of that.

[Gilthas]

Are you suggesting the same wouldn't be true for PvP?

Not the PVP that is being asked for here.

[Nalien]

Not the PVP that is being asked for here.

Given I've seen next to no "drama" in game coming out of existing PvP, I have no reason to believe any addition like Duels would add any.

How many times have you seen people shouting to have others "prove" themselves in Wolves' Den? Or Triple Triad? Or any of the existing PvP?

The people who would "abuse" Dueling would solely be the people who currently abuse Vote Kick/Shout/etc., should those be removed because assholes exist? No. Those people get Blacklisted and forgotten about. Nothing would change with Duels. Never mind the fact that we've suggested things like locking Duels behind a quest (like current PvP is...) or having a required PvP Rank; Meaning if any of you currently don't PvP, nobody would be able to Duel you anyway.

This ! If they must give them dueling, make it so pure PVE players never have to see them.

Never see them, or never see the requests? Covered the later, have absolutely no idea why anyone cares if a Duel is going on as they're passing by. It's a really odd attitude some people seem to have (not saying you specifically), that seeing a Duel going on is some how offensive to them while people doing all manner of ridiculous things (should I list what I see going on in Revenant's Toll? I don't want to...) is OK. For some reason people Dueling in the open world (which 90% of people hardly even use) is problematic, causing unwanted lag and noise pollution, but people doing Treasure Maps, Levequests and who cares what else isn't? I really don't get that mentality.

[Alacran]

The only reason this game is getting more popular is because it is pve focused when alot of people are tired of mmo's being a hybrid of pve/pvp that throws balanced out of whack and causes a certain company to completely change around all jobs/classes every 6 months because of balance issues. Say no to /duels in this game. FF should not be another forum for e-peen cheaters to try to brow beat superiority and dominance into the other 99% of the players who enjoy the game as a pve oriented game. Please do not add pvp to FF 14 more then it already has.

That is what I see as the real issue here. Far to many are fighting about the inclusion of PvP... We are are asking for duels.





Dueling is not new to the series, any fan knows this. Dueling is part of the local color of a fantasy setting, that I believe can only help in the immersion of the game.

[Tiggy]

That is what I see as the real issue here. Far to many are fighting about the inclusion of PvP... We are are asking for duels.





Dueling is not new to the series, any fan knows this. Dueling is part of the local color of a fantasy settings, that I believe can only help in the immersion of the game.

That's a cutscene and a boss fight...not dueling and not even close to what's suggested here. That's REALLY stretching it.

[Nalien]

That's a cutscene and a boss fight...not dueling and not even close to what's suggested here. That's REALLY stretching it.

How about that time in the MSQ where Hoary Boulder literally challenged us to a duel?

Last I checked the "spirit" of Final Fantasy and of Erozea is just fine with with us testing our martial ability against one another.

Still a boss fight, but the point is that the precedent has been set in the MSQ. People Duel in Eorzea.

The only real reason you all seem to have against Duels seems to be the "drama" it would cause, ignoring all the suggestions we've presented to avoid that, but where is the precedent for that? Where are the people aggressively challenging others to Triple Triad matches and creating drama over that? Where were the people demanding others challenge them in Wolves' Den? Where are the dickish PvP players who'd create so much trouble if Duels were introduced? All I've seen in PvP is fairly nice and forgiving players, something I certainly cannot say about my average World of Darkness groups.

Your precedent seems entirely based on other MMOs, which you're all to quick to point out are different because FFXIV is more PvE focused. Doesn't the fact that it is more PvE focused mean there are less of these unwanted individuals anyway? Just because they add Duels doesn't suddenly mean that the majority of the player base, who haven't touched PvP at all, are going to suddenly be challenging everyone they meet and flinging mud when someone rejects a challenge. Never mind the fact that we've already suggested Duels in such a way that PvEers can easily avoid getting challenges in the first place.