DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Nalien]

I love repeating myself...

A duel/sparring system in this game would be absolutely pointless. The way the skills and classes work would just make for completely one sided fights and boring ones at best.

Firstly, we can balance duels ourselves very easily. Want a serious match? Balance it yourself, same Job verses same Job, or similar. No shit Black Mage verses Monk wont offer much.
Secondly, one sided matches are a valid form of testing yourself. If I duel a DPS as a Healer would I be aiming to win? Not really, I'd be practicing almost the exact situation I'll be faced with in regular PvP. That would be the point. I tend not to heal in Frontlines because I know I suck at it. Were I to practice I'm sure I'd get better, but for the duration of that practice my team is at a disadvantage. Being able to lightly practice outside of any team based PvP would be a significant boon.
Thirdly, who cares if a fight is unbalanced? Were I ridiculously confident in my Black Magery I'd quite like the chance to try and prove it by burying a melee DPS.

Lastly, Duels would offer something to do during queue times (which is PvP, before someone pops in claiming I should be happy to queue for PvP and then go mining to pass the time... No, when I queue PvP I want to PvP, no content scratches that itch between queues except potentially Duels) and it wouldn't be significantly hard to implemented if balance goes out the window. Lock it behind Friend Requests or a PvP Rank requirement to prevent harassment, both are systems already in place. Only allow them in certain areas? Another system already in place, with Triple Triad Duels. All they'd need to do is temporarily unlock PvP skills (done in PvP and Wolves' Den Pier already) and work on an iLevel sync to the lowest player, which is something they already plan to implement as well.

There isn't really a lot of work that would need to go into implementing Duels and they offer so much; PvP to do while queuing, a way to practice against a living target, a way to learn various Job strategies, something to do for a serious challenge, etc. etc.. Heck I'd quite like the opportunity to just test things without having to drag six other people into Wolves' Den, for example how much Accuracy negates Blind.

[AriaEnia]

Why do most people keep saying "dual" rather than "duel"?
Yeah I hope SE will implement the duel system here, will be fun to watch and to bet on

[LTEvil]

Maybe it's just that its 1:12 AM, but what the hell are you even saying? You're a very confusing person.

He is trying to say while it is more interesting than fighting a mob due the human element this game was designed on the holy trinity concept. So one vs one will not be a balanced fight due to that fact. But what he fails to grasp it'll be more about your skill with your job and less about job. This is not to say that some jobs are not just strong in PvP right now but that's because the devs have no PvP design ability at all.

[KisaiTenshi]

FFXIV doesn't have the necessary mechanics to support a Dueling system because:
1) Tank/DPS/Healer trinity have different strengths.
2) Damage potential of certain classes and timing (how casters can be interrupted, but bards can spam attacks instantly)
3) It would be inherently unfair weighting against DPS, since either the tank would be able to soak up more damage, or the healer would just heal themselves and it becomes a race of who can outlast the other.

Let's not even think about support mechanics like the chocobo or arcanist pets.

Other games that have such systems, all their classes are effectively DPS classes to begin with, and fighting a healer or tank is not typically a winnable scenario without beating their cast speed. Full open-world PvP games are designed around "everyone is an equal DPS" because players have to defend themselves.

That said, games that have both PvP and PvE are only good at one of them.

[caponesavage]

I love how most people are citing this can happen because of DCUO but forget one main difference between that and this game. In DCUO its a good vs evil game. In this game none of us are the bad guys. We are all the warriors of light.

[Nalien]

I love how most people are citing this can happen because of DCUO but forget one main difference between that and this game. In DCUO its a good vs evil game. In this game none of us are the bad guys. We are all the warriors of light.

That's OK, we love how most people citing duels can't happen because we're the Warrior of Light are ignoring the fact that we actually do duel in the main scenario quests;

Last I checked the "spirit" of Final Fantasy and of Erozea is just fine with with us testing our martial ability against one another.

A "Good verses Evil" system would only really be required for persistent open world PvP. That isn't what duels are, duels are pretty much exactly what Triple Triad offers us, just playing with blades and magic, rather than a children's card game.

[Gilraen]

That isn't what duels are, duels are pretty much exactly what Triple Triad offers us, just playing with blades and magic, rather than a children's card game.

And have you tried playing a game of Triple Triad out in the ghost cave in Middle La Noscea? On High Bridge in East Thanalan? What about Hammermill in North Shroud? Triple Triad can be played in a number of venues, but not everywhere. I and many others I know have tried.

[Nalien]

And have you tried playing a game of Triple Triad out in the ghost cave in Middle La Noscea? On High Bridge in East Thanalan? What about Hammermill in North Shroud? Triple Triad can be played in a number of venues, but not everywhere. I and many others I know have tried.

What's you're point? They set specific places where Triple Triad can be played, they can do the exact same for PvP duels. Just instead of allowing them in crowded places, only allow them out in the wilderness. Make it so you cannot challenge someone to a duel in Revenant's Toll or Saint Coinach's Find, but you can at say, Camp Revenant's Toll, or that part of Mor Dhona where we had a duel with Hoary Boulder in the main scenario quests.

[Gilraen]

What's you're point? They set specific places where Triple Triad can be played, they can do the exact same for PvP duels. Just instead of allowing them in crowded places, only allow them out in the wilderness. Make it so you cannot challenge someone to a duel in Revenant's Toll or Saint Coinach's Find, but you can at say, Camp Revenant's Toll, or that part of Mor Dhona where we had a duel with Hoary Boulder in the main scenario quests.

Point being that there are already venues. That's not what's being asked for, though. Thus...

I don't think anyone has a problem with duels, just not open world duels. The little arena in Ul'dah, Wolves' Den, by all means please. Duel to your heart's content. But leave me, and everyone else not interested, out of it.