Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[SDaemon]

Not sure what world you live in...but people are not going to do something like that that offers no reward at all, because guess what? No one is going to waste their time for something that is not beneficial to their time.

And who are you to say that the challenge/titles itself isn't worth someone's time? Welcome to the real world.

[Goodberry]

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My son laughs at me because I logged for several years, ran jackhammers for several more, and swing a 4 pound anvil hammer as a farrier on regular occasions, this causes me to murder four $30 Logitech controllers with my grip, to his one about every 12 months, lol.

Anyway my MMO days are probably numbered.^^

Don't despair. I am several years older than you. I have stopped raiding some years ago (I raided in WoW), but can still speed clear the Expert Dungeons even when the other DPS is subpar. Never kept my groups from winning Trials, either. The secret is continuing to have fun, and never relent to elitists.

[Iromi]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

If your bf is in a static raiding at specific times tackling the endgame of each given content update, he is not a casual - no matter how much he plays in terms of number of hours.

Nope, he does not have a static.

And who are you to say that the challenge/titles itself isn't worth someone's time? Welcome to the real world.

The fact that SE themselves said that no one is doing savage like they expected should speak for itself. As for me, personally, I will play anything regardless of its reward at least once, because its fun. To me, a game is about having fun. I am speaking about what SE said when they brought it up in the live letter. I'll believe them over anyone else , as they have access to data, clears, and how many times people attempt something. So that, is who I am to say that.

[Goodberry]

...Um..no. That is what the other person was saying. I am basically saying that the content should stay the same. LOL It goes both ways. I don't think you quite understand what is going on...are you sure you are still in this conversation? That is way in left field. You are basically describing yourself.

Don't worry. I understand what is going on, am still in this conversation, and am not describing myself.
AND I had got your point that "content should stay the same". It's exactly what I am arguing against. In a MMO game, content should change in time.

[Iromi]

Don't worry. I understand what is going on, am still in this conversation, and am not describing myself.
AND I had got your point that "content should stay the same". It's exactly what I am arguing against. In a MMO game, content should change in time.

That is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. That it should stay the same is mine. That's all really In the end SE will decide how it is done anyway, but all we can do is just voice our opinion on here, and hope they take it into consideration.

[Goodberry]

That is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. That it should stay the same is mine. That's all really In the end SE will decide how it is done anyway, but all we can do is just voice our opinion on here, and hope they take it into consideration.

Well, fair enough. By the way, I like your cosplays.

[Iromi]

Well, fair enough. By the way, I like your cosplays.

Oh thank you so much *bow* You are too kind haha

[Elusana_Celah]

So a challenge without superior gear rewards is a challenge not worth taking, despite the desire for a challenge?

Actually I tried very hard to get people to do savage coil but the amount of people who will bother with it are very slim due to there being no gear reward at least on my server. I really want to clear the savage coils but meh. If someone cries for a challenge but won't touch challenging content if there's no superior gear rewards then I question why they are crying for a challenge in the first place? Do they merely want to run around with their gear for the sake of epeen and public bragging and enjoy the challenge simply because it locks other players out from having what they have? Then that is rather sad. It makes me wonder how many people are really like me and, while loot is cool to have, I get my personal satisfaction just beating the challenging content which is why I mentioned earlier that not being able to beat T13 before echo nerf was devastating to me.

[Gilthas]

Do they merely want to run around with their gear for the sake of epeen and public bragging and enjoy the challenge simply because it locks other players out from having what they have?

Yep.

In the vast majority of cases, people that complain about content being made easier are just mad that the "casual scum" will now have access to the stuff that they have.

Probably the real reason that SE nerfed FCoB was because the time between the last big patch and the expansion was pretty big. Most non-raiding players already had all their Poetics gear so they made Coil easier so they could draw these players to it. That and they probably want more people to get access to the storyline in Coil. It's very telling that the next endgame raid will have a "normal" and "hard" versions.

[Zumi]

Gear motivates the majority of the playerbase to do content that is just the way it is. Personally I would like to do savage mode because I like to do the hardest content but finding 7 other people that will want to do savage mode is very hard. Unlike FCoB where it is very easy to find players to do the content because it drops gear.

Which is why in Havensward the savage modes will drop the best gear so many more people will want to do it.