The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

[Krylo]

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Not that surprising considering how often I've been insulted for taking lead in anything where people don't pull immediately. Ranging from people arguing about which strat is best to 'I'm i130, how hard can it be? Lol scrub'. And admitting you're new is worse. "Oh great, a new person, guess we'll be wiping all day" isn't uncommon to hear. People say they want new folks to say they're new, but then half the time when you do you get people insulting you or leaving instance on anything mildly difficult (ex primals, for instance). Granted, half the time you get really supportive groups, too, but, I mean, it's not hard to see why people might not want to talk.

That said, you should just take the lead if no one else is doing it after a minute, and if someone tries to take the lead but you don't know the fight well enough to understand what's being asked of you--you should speak up about that, too. If you try to take the lead and everyone ignores it? I guess, yeah, just bounce. I've never had an issue where I couldn't wrangle a group, though. But it is difficult sometimes. Lots of people don't like to talk in chat even to say "Okay" or "Got it", so it's sometimes a struggle making sure everyone is on the same page after explaining.

[Crysten]

Not that surprising considering how often I've been insulted for taking lead in anything where people don't pull immediately. Ranging from people arguing about which strat is best to 'I'm i130, how hard can it be? Lol scrub'. And admitting you're new is worse. "Oh great, a new person, guess we'll be wiping all day" isn't uncommon to hear. People say they want new folks to say they're new, but then half the time when you do you get people insulting you or leaving instance on anything mildly difficult (ex primals, for instance). Granted, half the time you get really supportive groups, too, but, I mean, it's not hard to see why people might not want to talk.

Better to open your mouth, ask a question and look a fool for a moment than to keep your mouth shut and prove everyone's assumptions right.

I believe that asking questions and admitting one's failures is a sign of intelligence and strength; more people need to do this.

You know what they say though; You can lead a horse to pasture, but you can't make it drink.

[Krylo]

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Agreed, but just blaming people for being non-social/quiet while ignoring that the community, in many cases, beats that silence into new players who get derided when they try to speak from 1-50 is a bit short-sighted and does little to actually address the problem. The community in game is better than, say, WoW, but still has a lot of room for improvement.

[Crysten]

Agreed, but just blaming people for being non-social/quiet while ignoring that the community, in many cases, beats that silence into new players who get derided when they try to speak from 1-50 is a bit short-sighted and does little to actually address the problem. The community in game is better than, say, WoW, but still has a lot of room for improvement.

Honestly, I feel that's a biased opinion. New players are not exempt from being assholes themselves.

I have met some genuinely fantastic new players who have been information sponges; genuinely thankful and appreciative for all the help given whether it be on bosses, or with advice on rotations.

Unfortunately in my own experience, for every one of those people, I've had two who call me an elitist prick for having the gall to point out a strategy/mistake. Experiences like this only serve to beat the current stigma into those who can't stand helping. It's a vicious circle.

Both sides, in my opinion, are equally to blame for this. To square the blame entirely on those who persecute new players is actually pretty unfair.

[Sapphic]

Honestly, I feel that's a biased opinion. New players are not exempt from being assholes themselves.

100% agree. I'ts not too hard to see why will not bother trying to help when the last few runs you did all you recieved was trash talking or just silence.

I use a simple method, if someone says they are new, they are willing and open to advice and help. If someone doesn't, they aren't. If they can't take the couple of seconds to say they are new when they are, why should I take time to explain to them anyways?

[RiceisNice]

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Terrible experience maybe? I've seen newbies who said they were new and often get chewed out on it, even in heroic roulette. It's a big sea out there with a lot of fishies and tuna, what matters is what you do with it.

I mean just from a post in this very topic here, he apparently left as soon as someone said " We don't know the fight." Maybe the conversation carried out logner than that and he didn't include or, or maybe not. There's two perspectives to that and maybe they were going over it in FC; he just didn't stick around long enough to actually see more of the conversation. Or maybe he did and that was literally the conversation.

[Sapphic]

Terrible experience maybe? I've seen newbies who said they were new and often get chewed out on it, even in heroic roulette. It's a big sea out there with a lot of fishies and tuna, what matters is what you do with it.

Players state that vet players should teach newer players. How else will they know someone is new? By waiting for them to fail on a mechanic that could have been easily explained? How well do you think that would go?

Also, compared to those who got help and advice as opposed to those who didn't. In normal dungeons those who, in my opinion, state they are new are helped. Mechanics are easily explained. Only time I've seen negativity is when new players join difficult content with zero idea of what to do and say nothing or first thing they say is "I'm new, what do I do?" when they could have helped themselves and read up on the fight to have some knowledge before instead of expecting everyone else to type out a guide in party chat. Or when they mess up on something which, if they had stated they were new, could have been explained in a single sentace and prevented it. Example: don't AE the adds on first boss in Tam Tara HM.

Theres a huge difference for difficult content in "I'm new, what do I do?" and "I'm new but I read the strats, couple of things I'm not clear on tho." The second one made an effort to help the party succeed with the information available, The former, couldn't be bothered and expects everyone else to make the effort for their sole benefit. The first ones, I won't help. The second ones? Of course because they made an effort to help themselves too.

Exactly why I don't do content with any semblance of a challenge in DF.