Quote Originally Posted by MrCookTM View Post
I think the main thing that truedragon does not (want to?) understand is that det being weighted with 0,5 does not increase dps, but is the reason why mnk's dps is where it is. How I understand his statements, he thinks a mnk with the 'old' stat weights averages at 600+ dps, so with 0,5 mnk should average at 700+ dps with a det build, while in fact the 'old' weights have always been wrong (at least at i130).

Also the difference in calculated str between a det focused set and one that has less det isn't 'that' high, even with det weighted at 0,5. I tried to make an example between the current commonly accepted non-crafted BiS and the most det ignoring (lol) non-crafted set I could come up with while still maintening T13 acc and without sacrificing ilvl/main stat. The two sets are as follows:

BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PUVM


Det-ignoring 130 set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QLYJ

Now lets use the following weights:

Crit: 0,210 (Sunny's calulation)
Skillspeed: 0,196 (Sunny's calculation)
Determination: 0,500 (Dervy's estimation)

When taking a look at both sets we will see that while the det on set 2 is significantly lower, we will gain a crapton of skillspeed and crit. The difference in calculated str between both sets is 37,068. Sounds like quite alot, but the difference is not that huge (bad example because bad example, but just unequip your DW gloves and make a parse, and compare it to a fully equipped parse, the gloves have around 38 weighted str).


Also keep in mind that these two sets are two extremes. No one will ever use a set as crappy as the second set I posted, most people with sets that are not BiS yet are either have full poetics because not running coil or will just be missing a few pieces because bad rng, in both cases the difference between the det-focused BiS and their set will be considerably lower than the ~37 str it just made out with these two sets.
Ok, several things.
1) that is not a BiS set. Not even close.
2) I dont think. I know. I can do 600 with 1 hand eating chips. And I dont have 90000 det either.

So bottomline is this. For DET to be truly worth that high, I need to see some high dps. stat weights not used for dps? Ok, then lets not even use stat weights at all. Dont even stack det at all if you cant even see a dps increase. Get real.