Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Ashkendor]

I didn't realize every single one of those mobs had to be pulled at the same time.

Me either, but that's what people seem to expect. I don't mind doing that pull at all, but some may not want to.

If a tank were to do that same pull one pack at a time, a lot of people would throw a fit.

But if you have some whiny, entitled turd demanding everyone bow to their greatness? Just have your mdps or bard pull each group one at a time and go on your merry way.

Funny thing, I've honestly run into far more asinine DPS than I have tanks and healers. Maybe it's because of the perceived lack of responsibility in the role. Before anyone gets their panties all in a twist, note that I said perceived lack of responsibility. Those of us that do the raid thing know that DPS isn't necessarily a lazy role, but your average joe in DF thinks all he has to do is flail his weapon randomly at mobs and make them die. Half of them don't even step out of AoE's.

What do you do if your healer holds the group hostage to his whims even if the other three players are in agreement? You could pull and have each of the three remaining members tank a mob, I guess? What if there's a room with more than three mobs? What if there's a boss? Let's face it, if any one member of the group is afk at the beginning of the dungeon pouting because they didn't get their way, progress is greatly impeded no matter what their role may be.

If the tank you get is that bad just kick them. Most of us don't care anyway. We have instant queues. The same goes for healers. If you can't get along with them, just kick them. Kick a DPS on the other hand, and depending on the instance you're in you cost them anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour of their time. Possibly even more during off-peak hours or on less populated data centers. I honestly think that part of the "tanks are divas" stereotype comes from DPS players that envy their queue times. Of all the times I've queued as DPS or healer in dungeons (or partied with them, in the case of games with no Duty Finder queue), I have only run into a handful of tanks that fit the "diva" stereotype.

[Intaki]

If the tank you get is that bad just kick them. Most of us don't care anyway. We have instant queues. The same goes for healers. If you can't get along with them, just kick them. Kick a DPS on the other hand, and depending on the instance you're in you cost them anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour of their time. Possibly even more during off-peak hours or on less populated data centers. I honestly think that part of the "tanks are divas" stereotype comes from DPS players that envy their queue times. Of all the times I've queued as DPS or healer in dungeons (or partied with them, in the case of games with no Duty Finder queue), I have only run into a handful of tanks that fit the "diva" stereotype.

One of the most fun runs I ever had was with a prissy primadonna tank. He got into an inane rant after some other player made some innocuous comment that managed to offend him. He refused to tank, so I decided to tank. At first he afked and just lobbed insults. Then he started demanding to be kicked. Then he logged off for a couple minutes, logged back in, and all but screamed at us to kick him in caps. About ten minutes before we completed our 3-man clear of Haukke, he finally left on his own.

It was pretty great, everyone had fun, and I highly recommend the method to anyone looking for a laugh in DF.

But your post does highlight the importance of penalties for being kicked, so good on you! I'm thinking, sixty minute penalty? Sounds like a fair result for managing to piss off a whole party.

[Spawnie]

One of the most fun runs I ever had was with a prissy primadonna tank. He got into an inane rant after some other player made some innocuous comment that managed to offend him. He refused to tank, so I decided to tank. At first he afked and just lobbed insults. Then he started demanding to be kicked. Then he logged off for a couple minutes, logged back in, and all but screamed at us to kick him in caps. About ten minutes before we completed our 3-man clear of Haukke, he finally left on his own.

It was pretty great, everyone had fun, and I highly recommend the method to anyone looking for a laugh in DF.

But your post does highlight the importance of penalties for being kicked, so good on you! I'm thinking, sixty minute penalty? Sounds like a fair result for managing to piss off a whole party.

haha surprised he stayed that long..had a tank screaming to be kicked cause pulled more mobs then the healer could handle.. hurls non stop abuse when no1 kicked him then spammed non stop kick me for about 10mins.. i simply replied if wanna be kicked why dont u leave?? o thats right u dont want the penalty then stop acting like a drama queen n finish the run.. he left instantly after that

[Ashkendor]

One of the most fun runs I ever had was with a prissy primadonna tank. He got into an inane rant after some other player made some innocuous comment that managed to offend him. He refused to tank, so I decided to tank. At first he afked and just lobbed insults. Then he started demanding to be kicked. Then he logged off for a couple minutes, logged back in, and all but screamed at us to kick him in caps. About ten minutes before we completed our 3-man clear of Haukke, he finally left on his own.

It's definitely fun to purposely not kick someone that's demanding to be kicked over something stupid.

The way I see it, if you want out that bad just eat the half hour.

But your post does highlight the importance of penalties for being kicked, so good on you! I'm thinking, sixty minute penalty? Sounds like a fair result for managing to piss off a whole party.

Eh. As much as I'd like to see that, it's way too easily abused. Someone decides to kick you to get their friend into the party, 60 minute penalty. Someone wants to have exclusive rolls on loot for their class in WoD, 60 minute penalty. Someone decides to kick you so they can leave without penalty, 60 minute penalty. Enough people get kicked for reasons other than pissing off the party that it just isn't feasible to inflict a a penalty for it.