Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[DreadRabbit]

All these numbers prove is that potentially, keyword being "potentially" here, that the raiding crowd is in the minority both in NA and JP servers. Either people don't want to raid (and from personal experience in other games, I don't see the fun in it, personally), or as others have pointed out, the community has a challenging enough time communicating that clears are just hard to get. Sure the JP servers have higher numbers, but that's still pretty abysmal when you compare them to the entire population of said servers.

Don't see why any of this information is embarrassing. It is what it is. What good does competing against other servers you may not communicate with do for you other than bragging rights? Now if servers were to get server-wide perks or prizes for raiding clears, then this may be a completely different matter. But as it stands, there's literally nothing to get worked up over, imo.

[nuyu11]

Last night I df 5 WoD, 3 of them I got dc because of my connection issue and it takes me about 10 mins to log in back. They not kick me even once, 1st dc I log in back at Cerberus middle fight, 2nd log in back at Cloud of Darkness before the fight & 3rd one I'm dead at last boss room alone because fight already end and everyone leave already. I believe they will kick me out if in NA/EU.

That is their culture, we will vote abandon if wipe more than 3 times.

[Purrfectstorm]

Speaking for myself, the reasons I haven't cleared FCoB are:

1) Gear (i.e. incentives). Secondary stats aren't that important so even if Coil gear is technically BiS, tome gear is plenty good enough and it's super easy to get. Plus Coil gear is BiS for such an incredibly short period of time and might not even drop if you do get a clear. Simply put, too much work, not enough reward.

2) Time. I want to enjoy all aspects of the game: crafting, gathering, farming ponies, triple triad, chocobo racing, helping others. Learning Coil and finding a group, sticking to a static schedule, etc. just takes too much time. I get that there are some players craving difficult content but unfortunately it just takes too much time to clear that content when it's relevant.

3) The Exclusivity of Statics. With a static you're stuck playing with 7 other players. I've gotten left out before and it's a crappy feeling to have. If you start your own static, then you're making others feel that way also. I like playing with all the people in my FC, not just the most hardcore, elite crowd.

4) The Attitude of the Community. It's frustrating when clearing a piece of content matters to you (so you can get your precious gear) and others are holding you back. I think we've all experienced this, even in non-Coil content. It can breed a kind of mentality where you start to see others as just a means to an end which in turn leads to lots of hostility. When my partner first started, another player told her to delete herself. I've seen players tell others to commit suicide, quit playing, die in a fire, get cancer, and so on. Learning takes time and some people take longer to learn than others. This is only my 2nd MMO, FFXI was my first, and the fights in FFXIV are nothing like the fights in FFXI. Yet, in the beginning, very few people were patient with me. I had trouble with Qarn HM, Garuda normal, and Titan normal. Now I can clear all the EX primals with ease and I've made it to T9 in Coil. I'm sure I'll clear the rest of Coil as well, but I'd rather tackle it after most of the players who take the game too seriously move on.

In summary, if SE wants a player like me to challenge difficult content they should:

- make raid gear better than tome gear and for a longer period of time
- make it loot lockout rather than content lockout, so I can play whenever and with whoever I want
- ease content difficulty, especially mechanics that insta-kill the party (i.e. have more fights like Ramuh EX where a death or two is recoverable)

And I totally get if SE doesn't want players like me to do Coil for the first 6 months after it's released. Server-firsts matter to some people and rewards should have a certain degree of exclusivity so they feel special to the players that earn them. I just mention these things because there are a lot of things SE can do to get more people into raiding. It's not like it's a big mystery why some players don't do Coil:

Some of us are bad, some of us can't find groups, and some of us think the cost/reward ratio is off. However, it's important to remember that we're all paying to have fun.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

it's important to remember that we're all paying to have fun.

Fights in Dark Souls are challenging and fun. Coils are just not fun, they are a chore.

Extreme Modes are hard, and fun. However they have literally no loot.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/230435-More-interesting-loot-please%21-Here-are-some-ideas%21

[SummonerSenah]

Most of the serious raiders in my FC that have cleared T13 have their own static outside of the FC, tbh. The rest of us, who formed the group in the beginning, are more casual and have only just cleared T9 (and Titan and Ifrit EX not that long ago). We're going to work on FCoB but honestly it's not a huge priority for us. We do a lot of just casual stuff like running the towers, doing trials for Triple Triad cards, and farming for ponies.

[VirusChris]

I just set up a PF earlier this night to try and clear T10 with the Echo buffs now and I could only get 5 other players to join my party and sometimes some would just leave... and the last 3 spots were always Healer and 2 Tanks.

So we que in DF and surprisingly within 10 minutes we get it. After getting to the boss and some "new" Tank called Kant for short we manage to get through the boss pretty easily until we got to the Final Phase again where the TETHER move screws us up once again. I have no idea why, but people seem to forget what to do on this move.

I got the tether line, moved behind the boss and we got the soak perfectly I thought and then I noticed... we lost a Healer somehow and soon after our party falls apart and we only got the boss to 48% of its HP. Then we find out that the "new" Tank wasn't new and gotten a clear on it already and WANTED to troll and laughed before leaving the party and then everyone bloody leaves.

I went away cause I needed to use the restroom, but coming back to only MYSELF left and I quite peeved.

I didn't plan on leaving until we cleared no matter how many times we fall, but I can never find people willing to do a clear party with me on T10 as my FC is either busy on T11 or T13 or I can never find people interest in doing this with me. I want to clear FCoB for the story, but I can't even do THAT because other people just don't feel like doing it or I can't find people to do it.

I'm on Malboro which seems like less than 1% of people have cleared FCoB and it's sadden I can't even complete this because other people won't help me out. I know the fight, but something always trips us up, I've gotten the boss to 14% and 1% before the nerf but I can't do it because the lack of people willing to do it.

It's frustrating really, I'm not a "Hardcore" or "Raider" person, but dammit I want to clear FCoB so I'm up to date finishing everything and got the complete story of the game. Most if not all of my "static" raid people are already gone... so it's tough to find a group a times.

I mean, stunts like these make me not want to do Coils anymore even to try to clear it. It's insulting to people who want to clear it but you got guys like these trolling them.

[Spawnie]

why is it embarassing?? every single player has preferences over what they like and dislike

personally i havent touched ex primals- cause only thing that makes them farmable is the ponies.. if each primal dropped a different n unique mount then for sure id farm them.. but since they are exactly the same mount with just a skin change no interest for me

havent touched coil cause - no time looking for/making a static to learn/practise on so i just avoid it since when i do get time to play id rather do somethin effiecient instead of sittin around for hours spamming shout for teams

[Hezkezl]

After raiding hardcore (literally, hardcore. 8 hours a day 6 days a week) for 6 years in WoW, I don't have the energy or level of care to do a static in XIV. If I was younger and hadn't burned myself out in that game, I might care more about it. But I just don't. I play this game for other reasons than to be the 'best' at coil.

[Sapphic]

Are the numbers calculated from achievements? If so it doesn't take into account those who block access to their achievements which would skew the numbers off for a start.

If not achievements, how are the numbers calculated?

XIVpads cannot take achievements from those who have blocked access.

Example, from achievements page for me on XIVpads


No Achievements!

Achievements are parsed and updated seperately from character data. It could take a while but hopefully not too long! If you are eager to see your achievements, click the "Update" button and follow the instructions

Alternatively, this character may have their achievements private, which means they will never show up! /cry

Bolded the important part.

If thats the case, JP may just be more open with their achievement page on Lodestone in comparison.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

That kind of goes against human logic and understanding though, normally a person who actually did it would wanna turn them on. The people who don't even care about it wouldn't know, or wouldn't even bother turning them off.