Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[Yukiko]

Lag is the fallback excuse in 95% of cases when someone has failed to react in time to a mechanic. It's the actual reason the other 5% of times unless your internet currently consists of two cups tied together with string.
PS: I live in the EU and I can count the times I've actually had lag issues without having to resort to my toes.

Visit Japan, and try to play ninja or monk... if you dont feel a noticeable difference in "lag" then i will quit and never bother you any more!
Just as sidenote: physically you have underwater cable connecting EU with NA where ALL connections are going through, it is physically impossible for you to have "no" lag issues!

[Adire]

Look at more casual friendly games like shooters, particularly ones developed in the West, and you'll see that the best of the best in NA can, and more often than not do, defeat the best of the best Japanese players in direct competitions.

As people have said, people should only be embarrassed (assuming it is even worth getting embarrassed about, which in my opinion it's not) if they are defeated at a personal level. Japan's culture being one that encourages planning and teamwork over one that encourages individualism and the fact that coil takes an investment to complete is why these numbers are as they are. This is not a good example of a competition between players, and if anything only highlights that a culture more about long term devotion to completing a goal succeeds in a challenge that requires as such more than a culture that is not about it.

Trying to get people to feel embarrassed over such a broad, impersonal "loss" like this is silly. That being said though, I would not at all be surprised if the average FFXIV JP player is more skilled at this game than the average NA player. Much like as said before, MMOs in general are an investment, and the average JP player is more willing to invest in them than the average NA player I imagine. Willing to try harder, learn more, etc.

But it is no accurate measure of personal skill potential of the players in either location. JP players just overall put more time and effort into things. It is not a direct competition as such. In a direct competition in a game with a much more even playing field, with less investment and time required to learn content (such as in an FPS), I think you'd see less of a gap between player skill at the game overall. So there's no reason to feel embarrassed.

[Gardes]

As people have said, people should only be embarrassed (assuming it is even worth getting embarrassed about, which in my opinion it's not) if they are defeated at a personal level. Japan's culture being one that encourages planning and teamwork over one that encourages individualism and the fact that coil takes an investment to complete is why these numbers are as they are. This is not a good example of a competition between players, and if anything only highlights that a culture more about long term devotion to completing a goal succeeds in a challenge that requires as such more than a culture that is not about it.

I keep seeing this and about how america/west prefers being able to show their individualism but looking at the amount of 'team jump rope' complaints (focusing on the part where one person screws up everybody dies), I'm inclined to believe otherwise. Unless the west wants to be the star player in their own group but none of the responsibility. I fail to see how that's something to tout about though.

I also doubt that japanese players care enough about competition western games to have a big enough player pool to produce any decent 'champions', especially in shooters of all things.

[Adire]

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I am referring to the fact that Japan's overall culture encourages teamwork and longterm investment more than NA's culture, particularly America's. I'm pretty sure it's not unreasonable to say that this bleeds over into JP gaming culture and NA gaming culture. I can provide many arguments that show that Japan's culture is more focused on the "us" than the "me" if you'd like. One person messing up can cause everyone to die. This is integral to the definition of a successful team though is it not? If one person does not do their part, the entire team suffers?

And you'd be surprised. Western games take off in Japan quite often, including Fpses.

http://www.destructoid.com/battlefie...t-265717.phtml
http://kotaku.com/5964525/forget-the...s-call-of-duty

As a couple of examples.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

A lot of times I am fully left the circle but still get hit by AOEs. You have to be out of the circle for a full 0.5 seconds or it seems to hit you.

[Leoheart]

I haven't cleared any of final coil yet sadly.

Before I took a 2 month break back at the end of Jan most of my final coil experience was in Pick up groups where the levels of skill varied greatly, in truth it seemed lots of people weren't interested in forming groups or groups that did recruit run at times I'm not able too due to work or time zones.
I've tried my hand at leading a coil group myself in the past for second coil and got quite far. But it's not something I'd do again, I found it quite stressful recruiting members or picking up odds and sods due to the lack of commitment- maybe 6/8 in a group will be on time for coil each day but then you'd get the odd 1 or 2 that come and go and most time during events would be seeking a replacement, which may or may not have led to successful runs regardless.

I've been running with my FC now just to play catch up, but most of us are casual-ish now anyway.
My main point isn't that I haven't been able to clear it necessarily but I've not really had a great opportunity to give it a good attempt until recently.

[Miitan]

Isn't that the definition of lag?

Not in this context, no.

[Eye_Gore]

Not in this context, no.

This old bag o bones lags more than my internet does. Reflexes just aren't what they use to be. Maybe I should take up drinking again.

[Natashio]

Oh..my. This escalated rather quickly...

/sit....still eating my popcorn from 2:23 pm..

[Iromi]

Oh..my. This escalated rather quickly...

/sit....still eating my popcorn from 2:23 pm..

I got my tin of popcorn for this