selling coil runs and primals

[Mercutial]

I have been in farm parties with individuals who I knew for a fact bought a clear for previous content. These farm parties did not go so well. My point being that a bought clear is VERY misleading to those who run with the individual in later content.

[Neuflune]

Not against the people selling services, that's your job, you do what you want but...

I have been in farm parties with individuals who I knew for a fact bought a clear for previous content. These farm parties did not go so well. My point being that a bought clear is VERY misleading to those who run with the individual in later content.

I know a case like this. Dude advertised he was buying a clear just so he can get "Greed party" status. He cleared 'coz moneys. He still sucks. Not totally the run-seller's fault but I wish people who actually buy the clear would actually learn the fights instead of being a burden to others.

[Izsha]

Not against the people selling services, that's your job, you do what you want but...



I know a case like this. Dude advertised he was buying a clear just so he can get "Greed party" status. He cleared 'coz moneys. He still sucks. Not totally the run-seller's fault but I wish people who actually buy the clear would actually learn the fights instead of being a burden to others.

And everyone who says sellers should help for 'free' don't fix this. Nor the people that help for free 1st clear tomes. Nor the people that carry their friends. Nor the people that cue up in df and are on the floor the whole run and get carried anyway.

The only way to stop inexperienced/unskilled people from moving forward is to cockblock them being a big prick. Kick people that die, never allow anyone a win they don't earn, never help your friends struggling. That's not going to happen. The 'carries promote bad players' is just another poorly thought out argument just like it makes people rmt. The only way to stop rmt is to remove purchasing power of gil, just like the only way to stop bads from progressing is to never help under any circumstances. It's absurd.

[Neuflune]

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The topic was selling runs so I kept on topic.

Constantly carrying people is just as bad, I agree.

[Izsha]

The topic was selling runs so I kept on topic.

Constantly carrying people is just as bad, I agree.

My little mini rant was more to those who don't see that connection, not you specifically. A lot of comments in these threads is a always 'sellers create bad players' idea, while at the same time post 'sellers should do it for free to "help" people (instead of the implied abuse of people)'. Yet they don't see the hypocrisy of those 2 ideas. You can't give people free carries then complain how sellers are creating masses of bad players.

[Neuflune]

My little mini rant was more to those who don't see that connection, not you specifically. A lot of comments in these threads is a always 'sellers create bad players' idea, while at the same time post 'sellers should do it for free to "help" people (instead of the implied abuse of people)'. Yet they don't see the hypocrisy of those 2 ideas. You can't give people free carries then complain how sellers are creating masses of bad players.

The motive of the people who buy clears/gets carried is more the issue than the actual buying and selling of player service, or altruism. Sometimes a person gets "carried" just because they're having really bad lag or they haven't understood the fight in its entirety yet. What's important is, what will he do afterwards? Will he keep playing without improving and never look back, or use that event as a motivation to improve and clear content on his own later on?

Rather than pointing fingers, I feel that advising people during the run, whether bought or given freely, and following up afterwards is more important than the run itself. That said, it can't be expected from a purchased clear seeing as the service ends up completion. But for those who help freely, it might be worth everyone's while to help with more than just the clear. Then again, there are people who don't take kindly to being corrected (YOU THINK YOU KNOW MY CLASS MORE THAN I DO?!) so that's another hurdle altogether.

P.S. I hate the character limit.