selling coil runs and primals

[Aivi_lo]

The other night I was looking at pf and it was mainly ads selling runs through content. I'm sure I'll get slapped down for saying this, but is selling runs rather than joining and helping newer players only going to exacerbate the rmt problem?

[Cherry_Phox]

Someone paid gil to get through content. This is a personal choice. Love or hate it, it's there. As for rmt? It can, no doubt about it.
I just find it funny that in most new content, SE has to make work arounds to keep Gil out of the equation with exceptions here and there.

[DoctorPepper]

You basically have 2 options here.. you either get the clears yourself with hard work or you pay for help. None of those people selling runs are going to do the content simply to help random new players. Friends or FC mates maybe but random people, not likely.

As for rmt I don't think you can place blame on the clear sellers since they're not the people buying gil. While I agree that it may give people a reason to buy gil in the first place, there are also a lot of legitimate players who buy clears, and the clear sellers themselves have no way to tell if the person buying a clear got their gil legitimately.

[TheRogueX]

As for rmt I don't think you can place blame on the clear sellers since they're not the people buying gil. While I agree that it may give people a reason to buy gil in the first place, there are also a lot of legitimate players who buy clears, and the clear sellers themselves have no way to tell if the person buying a clear got their gil legitimately.

Having come from games in the past that have had serious issues with RMT, I instead posit that a not insignificant number of the gil selling groups are likely either a) "subsidiaries" of some of the gil selling franchises or b) "independent contractors" who wholesale much of their gil to those franchises for real money.

It has all happened before, and it will happen again.

LOL.

Just because you have a lot of gil doesn't mean you buy it. You're insulting every crafter, spirit bonder, gardener, map grinder...

No, if you read what he said, he pointed out the vast majority (90%) of people won't have tons of money. And that's true.

[wicked-one]

As for rmt I don't think you can place blame on the clear sellers since they're not the people buying gil.

But they willingly take the dirty money...

In real life terms, i also don´t want to get paid by a boss who earns his money by something illegal...

as i try to live by my moral standards, i have quite a bad feeling as well when i see ppl running around in fully melded 110 HQ Gear, but can´t get on the basic mechanic fights, or buying FCoB clears and loot for sums you clearly can´t have earned by that time they play.

sad but true, like the real world, eorzea is just what we make of it, ...

[KisaiTenshi]

there are also a lot of legitimate players who buy clears.

These words do not belong in the same sentence. While I'm fairly sure there are people who have enough gil to buy a clear, it's not a "legitimate" clear in the sense that the player was carried, and in some cases had to actually turn over their account to such people to get it. That is no fun.

Any aspect of being carried makes me question why the person is playing the game at all. So "buying clears" just tells me that the person is wasting their money.

And yes it does encourage RMT, but I have a feeling that sellers wounld't touch gold buyers at all since Square Enix has nuked people's gil before.

[Anapingofness]

The other night I was looking at pf and it was mainly ads selling runs through content. I'm sure I'll get slapped down for saying this, but is selling runs rather than joining and helping newer players only going to exacerbate the rmt problem?

I agree with you. I think it does add to the rmt problem. How much it adds? That I don't know but I'm fairly certain that it does add to it. After all, on some servers people really gouge the players who buy runs by asking for 1mil+ per run.

Then again, I am against players and FC's alike selling clears. I think all players should learn the fights before moving onto the next tier of difficulty.

[Catwho]

I was pretty tempted to buy my Titan Ex clear - because I knew I was not the problem, everyone else was. (When you're the last one standing on the platform, you are not the problem. Clearly.) Fortunately, a group on Lamia started offering free clears of Titan Ex for players in exchange for the bonus and ponies, as they knew they could clear with 7 using their method even if the new scrub got knocked off.

[Darra]

Kill selling, the latest crafted gear and materia prices are the 3 major markets for RMT gil. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. After all, those are the 3 primary things that actually cost any amount of gil. Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

[DoctorPepper]

Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

It's very easy to make large sums of gil via crafting or spiritbonding. I've made almost 4 mil from a single spiritbonding session (5 sets of gear) in less than 2 hours and that's only one example.

It's never clear where people get their gil, even if they don't have crafts leveled they can still spiritbond or if they're lucky enough have friends pay for their clear. Sure you can speculate but there is no way you can prove it.