selling coil runs and primals

[Aivi_lo]

The other night I was looking at pf and it was mainly ads selling runs through content. I'm sure I'll get slapped down for saying this, but is selling runs rather than joining and helping newer players only going to exacerbate the rmt problem?

[Cherry_Phox]

Someone paid gil to get through content. This is a personal choice. Love or hate it, it's there. As for rmt? It can, no doubt about it.
I just find it funny that in most new content, SE has to make work arounds to keep Gil out of the equation with exceptions here and there.

[DoctorPepper]

You basically have 2 options here.. you either get the clears yourself with hard work or you pay for help. None of those people selling runs are going to do the content simply to help random new players. Friends or FC mates maybe but random people, not likely.

As for rmt I don't think you can place blame on the clear sellers since they're not the people buying gil. While I agree that it may give people a reason to buy gil in the first place, there are also a lot of legitimate players who buy clears, and the clear sellers themselves have no way to tell if the person buying a clear got their gil legitimately.

[Anapingofness]

The other night I was looking at pf and it was mainly ads selling runs through content. I'm sure I'll get slapped down for saying this, but is selling runs rather than joining and helping newer players only going to exacerbate the rmt problem?

I agree with you. I think it does add to the rmt problem. How much it adds? That I don't know but I'm fairly certain that it does add to it. After all, on some servers people really gouge the players who buy runs by asking for 1mil+ per run.

Then again, I am against players and FC's alike selling clears. I think all players should learn the fights before moving onto the next tier of difficulty.

[Catwho]

I was pretty tempted to buy my Titan Ex clear - because I knew I was not the problem, everyone else was. (When you're the last one standing on the platform, you are not the problem. Clearly.) Fortunately, a group on Lamia started offering free clears of Titan Ex for players in exchange for the bonus and ponies, as they knew they could clear with 7 using their method even if the new scrub got knocked off.

[Darra]

Kill selling, the latest crafted gear and materia prices are the 3 major markets for RMT gil. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. After all, those are the 3 primary things that actually cost any amount of gil. Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

[aerolol]

Sometimes I help randoms, be it on DF, or by joining the last spot on a PF.

I helped quite a bunch of randoms with their clears on ramuh ex, shiva ex, mog ex, t5 and t9 for free.

I've also sold help for people who were willing to pay.
One of them paid a few millions to make sure he'd get his t9 weapon and body just for show off, but he didn't want to learn ow to clear t9. He was dead 100% of the time.

Their reactions (OMG WTF TY SO MUCH) is worth the trouble.




I felt touched when one day I joined some random's PF for t5... they were in TS (voice chat) and asked if I'd like to join... I did.

We cleared it on 2nd run and 6 people got their clears.
Some of them clearly had no clue about t5 mechanics, while others played perfectly.
Just right after we cleared it, one of the girls (real world girl), who didn't do any mistakes at all, started literally crying and sobbing on the voice chat.
She was just so thankful and mentioned she had been trying to clear t5 for over a year at that point and never managed to find a party who could beat it.
It really touched me. I tried to imagine how sad I'd feel if I had been trying and failing over and over something for a year, yet with the perseverance to keep trying...

How many more people are out there who, can play what still is a pretty difficult raid, who know exactly what they are doing, never do any mistakes, but can't get other 7 people with the same knowledge/experience ?





tl;dr
Some people deserve to get their clear and should not pay for it.
Some people are lazy and want to show-off gear that is not even that good anymore. This kind of people should definitely pay for their clears.

[DoctorPepper]

Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

It's very easy to make large sums of gil via crafting or spiritbonding. I've made almost 4 mil from a single spiritbonding session (5 sets of gear) in less than 2 hours and that's only one example.

It's never clear where people get their gil, even if they don't have crafts leveled they can still spiritbond or if they're lucky enough have friends pay for their clear. Sure you can speculate but there is no way you can prove it.

[Priya]

I wouldn't think too much on it. Clear selling has been around in MMOs for ages and hasn't been the downfall of any of them. It'll be in future MMOs, too. While some of the buyers certainly do contribute to RMT, lots of people make their money legitimately.

[Noahlimits]

Kill selling, the latest crafted gear and materia prices are the 3 major markets for RMT gil. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. After all, those are the 3 primary things that actually cost any amount of gil. Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

LOL.

Just because you have a lot of gil doesn't mean you buy it. You're insulting every crafter, spirit bonder, gardener, map grinder and run seller out there.