selling coil runs and primals

[Kosmos992k]

Just defending myself :]

Against what? I've made no attack against you at any time.

You wrote the following;

Kill selling, the latest crafted gear and materia prices are the 3 major markets for RMT gil. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. After all, those are the 3 primary things that actually cost any amount of gil. Given that 90% of a server population can't make that much gil from crafting or selling kills themselves, coming across players dropping 20mil, 30mil, 100mil on a kill, it's pretty clear where that gil has come from, even if I've not been told by those doing the selling, or friends of the buyer, that the gil was purchased.

At this point you were quite clearly linking kill selling to RMT activity. I posted in reply to you, agreeing with your point, and illustrated it with an experience of my own. How was that an attack?

Fast forward to this post....

I've read a lot of what you've been saying, and concluded that you are in fact, worse than the sellers you find immoral.

If you've come to that conclusion, then your reading skills are really, really poor.

When people sell a service (which often times uses up their time, like a plumber that's come to fix your heating) for gil, they're participating in a transaction of a physical currency. You on the other hand, are doing it maybe because you believe in karma and want better karma, maybe you're religious and want your deity to see how much of a good boy/girl you are, maybe you do things to feel good about yourself, or as seems to be the case, you do it so you can act morally superior to others.

You know, it's really funny how someone who does things for the hell of it, to help people or to have fun - instead of personal profit - is attacked and called worse than RMT. In all honesty, I find your post very insulting, and extremely disappointing. It's disappointing because there is a view among many people IRL today that they will only get off their ass to do something if they are getting paid. You are displaying that attitude perfectly. What disappoints me most, is that you are so screwed up that you are actually attacking the motivations of someone who does things for reasons other than being paid to do them. I guess altruism is dead, along with all other forms of community or social responsibility.

Whatever the reason is, it's still a currency, good karma points, that tingly feeling of doing something good, having your deity tick more boxes in your favor for an after-life, or more examples to try beating people around the head with in a verbal discussion. Why this makes you worse, is that those of us that use a physical currency, we're not hiding what we're doing, you're blinding yourself to the currency you receive because it's not something you can spend in the real world that other people will accept.

Really? You're really so screwed up that because I do things for personal satisfaction, my friendship with others or to help the community in general, I'm somehow worse than the money grubbing RMTs? Is that really what you're saying here? You accuse me of hiding something, what is it that I am hiding? Are you simply unable to grasp the concept of being friendly and helping others for personal satisfaction or out of friendship, community spirit, social responsibility or civility? Is that it? Or are you so far gone that *everything* has to be quantified in terms of some 'currency' tangible or otherwise so that you can literally attack others regardless of how selfless their motivation?

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. I'm beginning to think that the bronies are right. Perhaps you need to spend some time watching brightly colored ponies delivering messages about friendship, community spirit and social responsibility so you can learn a few things.

[GenJoe]

Really? You're really so screwed up that because I do things for personal satisfaction, my friendship with others or to help the community in general, I'm somehow worse than the money grubbing RMTs?

No, you haven't been comparing yourself to the RMTs, you've been comparing yourself to run sellers, they are completely different things. This already tells me that to you, any run seller = RMT. That is not the case.

how selfless their motivation?

How noble of you, wanna get into the altruism debate? Get off your high horse, people do nice things as a member of a society, but going around touting that and telling people in condescension that what they're doing, i.e. expecting money in return for their services, or outright selling said service, doesn't make you a superior being of impeccable ethics. If you want to help people out, by all means.. Just don't go around telling the whole world about it and telling other people how everyone else should do it too.

I'm not a smoker myself, and smoking indoors is banned where I live. Just because it's not a "vice" of mine, I'm not gonna talk to everyone I see on the streets with a cigarette in their hands and lecture them about the harm they are causing to themselves and others by second hand smoking etc. etc. Well, maybe you would..

That's it, I'm done here. I'm not playing any more, I've said my piece and I'm tired of defending myself against the most ludicrous attacks and comments. I know you're not directly calling me a self-righteous prick, but that is the implication of what you wrote. I'm not going to reply any more, I'm not going to be baited any more. You can all have a big monetarist hug and count your piles of gil.

Wow, you take offense way too easily.. He didn't imply shit, you inferred it based on what you felt was the context of his writing. Self-conscious much? No wonder you go around giving people free rides, buying affection with your "services".

[LaylaTsarra]

No wonder you go around giving people free rides, buying affection with your "services".

People do not necessarily help others to buy so called affection. They do it because they enjoy helping others. Try it, you might find you like it. This is after all a social game and interacting with others other than trying to sell them something might be something some might want to do.

[GenJoe]

People do not necessarily help others to buy so called affection. They do it because they enjoy helping others. Try it, you might find you like it. This is after all a social game and interacting with others other than trying to sell them something might be something some might want to do.

I do help people out plenty.. I just don't come to the forums and advertise it and tell other people they should too. Read what she's written so far, you don't sense the condescension? or being unable to put in to words why she does it other than because she is "noble" and "selfless". She's attributing quality to her own character by her actions. As far as I'm concerned, you do not get to be the judge of your own character.. Anybody who does, usually has an issue with having to project their self worth outwardly.. I'm not saying helping people out is bad, but if you must do it and advertise to the whole World why it is so good etc. your motivations are twisted.

If I want to help somebody, I do it because I want to, I don't need any other excuse, I don't need to refer to a holy book, I don't need to know that I've made a worthwhile contribution to the society by my "noble" actions.. I help because I feel like helping, not so I can come to the forums and lecture other people on how they're greedy and immoral.