Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[Songi]

I hate this excuse so much
6 members in my static has either a family or is in college aswell as having a bunch of other things to take care of, yet we downed T13

It makes them feel better using that bad excuse to hide the real truth that they're terrible at the game.

[OMEGA_HACK]

It makes them feel better using that bad excuse to hide the real truth that they're terrible at the game.

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur). I am frequently top DD in anything I do, I am in a FC with a bunch of friends (from the real world) however like I mentioned since I cannot commit a dedicated time to raiding I was unable to join my friends raid static (I place no blame on them real life money > in game epeen). However there is NO EXCUSE for bad manners in any form of communication. Like your post I've quoted you only further exacerbate the situation at hand. Joking or not, its not really appropriate, just like those PF groups, just like the mentality of Elitism is not appropriate. I feel we should be working together to form a more pluralized community as that will strengthen it; not cause it to decay from within. Like I said before you think you are immune to your own mentality...just wait, its only a matter of time before Abyssea like content is released if the trends continue.

[KyrsIsley]

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur). I am frequently top DD in anything I do, I am in a FC with a bunch of friends (from the real world) however like I mentioned since I cannot commit a dedicated time to raiding I was unable to join my friends raid static (I place no blame on them real life money > in game epeen). However there is NO EXCUSE for bad manners in any form of communication. Like your post I've quoted you only further exacerbate the situation at hand. Joking or not, its not really appropriate, just like those PF groups, just like the mentality of Elitism is not appropriate. I feel we should be working together to form a more pluralized community as that will strengthen it; not cause it to decay from within. Like I said before you think you are immune to your own mentality...just wait, its only a matter of time before Abyssea like content is released if the trends continue.

There are statics out there that only ask for a set number of nights per week and are willing to work around people's schedules. I ran a static where we had:
- an international flight attendant living in Asia (the rest of us were in the US) whose schedule changed every week and sometimes we had to work around time zone differences.
- a med student who was on surgery rotation and sometimes couldn't raid last minute because he was in surgery.
- an engineer who works at a steel mill whose schedule was flip flopped in 12 hour shifts from week to week, so there were weeks where he could only raid in the morning or night.

Scheduling the raid every week was a giant PITA, and we were not the fastest group to clear coil on our server. But we cleared it way before they unlocked and continued to clear every week. People had work and family long before MMOs came out. Work and family aren't what's stopping people from committing to a static; not having the drive to make it happen is what's stopping you.

[Kallera]

Except when you don't have a static, you have to go through the whole thing multiple times. Not fun if you have other things in your life that call to your attention. And the poor behaviour from the top continues.

Being calm and collected about this isn't so easy when you log off at 11:40 pm with nothing to show but sleep deprivation in the morning. Less so with a situation like coil, where an important piece of plot is over there.

Meanwhile, get left behind by friends and Ls/fc mates, told to youtube it and put up with bad commentary/reactions about how they are the ones ruining everything on non cutting edge content.

There are good people on both sides of this, with 2.5 kids, a RL job and a life to live. But they all pay money SE wants, and fortunately there is an idea to address this with Alexander. Because not everyone is in it for the late nights and the dreadwyrm.

[ziddyt]

I don't even understand your point. Why would I think the end-game community is bad for not wanting to spend their time with inexperienced players when trying to farm content? Sure, the inexperienced players are paying their sub too, but that entitles them to game time, not to other players' time. It is to be expected that when players, not just end-game players, any players, want to repeatedly clear any piece of content in a fast amount of time for whatever reward (be that dungeons, coil, pvp or whatever), they're going to want to fill their party with players experienced in that content. And of course, they have to make that known. Would you prefer they didn't lay out the rules or desires of their party in a visible description before joining? Just so inexperienced players would unwittingly join a "farm" party and immediately be kicked for holding back the party?

And you don't have to be in a static to ready yourself for coil farming. My FC has several people in it that are returning players, but they are GOOD players (that is the distinction). They can (and have) easily fill a spot in on my statics' party and learn FCOB and get their clear in a short amount of time, and go on to join PF farms. So yes, that people who want to (I personally don't care enough to farm FCOB, screw rng at this point, bring on Alexander tokens) certainly can make their experienced players only PFs. There's more than enough players that can come together from other statics and free companies (my static members have been PFing coil pretty much all day every week, statics don't just stick together and farm by themselves).

If you are a good player, and sociable, you can get yourself where you need to be. It may be overwhelming, but you just have to find the right spot. Get into learning parties, find an FC that actually does shit, don't just complain about elitists not carrying you while you sit back and do nothing because everything is too hard and toxic.

[Ophie-Mio]

I don't even understand your point. Why would I think the end-game community is bad for not wanting to spend their time with inexperienced players when trying to farm content?

Omg, I literally had this moment the other day when one of my own FC mates asked my husband, my officer and I all to help him clear Moogle EX. We had already helped him before (though we were kinda ambushed with that one) and it was awful. He had no idea what he was doing at all. He destroyed whatever moogle he could and wouldn't lay off my BLM moogle even though I told him to stop and do something else. We tried to explain to him that you can't just kill the moogles all willy nilly and we even asked if he had watched a video... >_> He had skimmed it.


Then he asked us the other day to do it again and we asked if he had gone into DF or PF at all and attempted without us. He hadn't but he offered up, "Well, as long as I take down the archer and BLM, it should be fine, right?"

We explained to him again that the fight wasn't like that all and he really needed to do research for it before attempting to get us involved.
We seriously had wasted over 2 hrs with the original night we attempted with him. 2 hrs that he hadn't even bothered to prepare for.

I do not want to spend all my time dragging inexperienced players around on the dirt while I clean up their mistakes.

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur).

And fyi, due to the clearing of the loot cap, there are SO many parties now both farming AND learning. People who are in the same boat as you where they cannot join statics are more than welcome to join T13 learning parties. On my server alone, there were 5 last night. 5 last night after 7pm PST. Statics are not a necessity at this point for many people.

[ziddyt]

Hell, even before the lockout removal, FCOB was being pugged. At least on hyperion, there were several party finders every day of groups or statics looking for fill-ins, or static-less people looking for their "weekly clear."

As far as I could tell, it was all rather successful cause I personally knew a handful of people that would pug FCOB on alts and stuff back then.

[Elazu]

But T9 doesnt offer an interesting or engaging challenge.

You are correct. Echo and i130 makes the fight stupidly easy.

[Themis]

You are correct. Echo and i130 makes the fight stupidly easy.

Ah, so the first time you did this content was after the echo was brought in and i130 gear was released? Or did you already have this fight under farm, and it's simply easier and quicker for you now that you have better gear and a boost to help out?

If the former, this is an ok statement to make. It must be very easy now.

But if it's the latter, then it's not because of gear/echo that the fight is easier, it is because you already know the fight. Knowing is the main part of success in Coil.

T9 is not "stupidly easy". There's still a lot of mechanics because each phase is almost like it's own battle, and you need to constantly be aware of what is going on and what is coming next. The amount of time you are in a phase is simply less with echo/gear, which can mean there is less room for things to go wrong (less meteors means less chance of placing too close, golems die faster so you don't get meteors/megaflare whilst some are still alive). This doesn't make it impossible to mess up still from lack of knowledge or not handling something correctly. "Stupidly easy" would imply you could simply stand still and ignore everything and still win. This is not true at all.

It's this attitude that makes people who are not yet through T5 feel like they are inferior, and why the look at people like me who are simply tackling Final Coil or have beaten it, as if we are all suddenly elite bastards who look down with noses up at every other player in the game.

[Kosmos992k]

"Stupidly easy" would imply you could simply stand still and ignore everything and still win. This is not true at all.

It's this attitude that makes people who are not yet through T5 feel like they are inferior, and why the look at people like me who are simply tackling Final Coil or have beaten it, as if we are all suddenly elite bastards who look down with noses up at every other player in the game.

Indeed, that attitude is one of the reasons there are a large number of players who no longer give a damn about completing any coil turns.