Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[AlexionSkylark]

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That attitude was just right down assholery.

Now, with that said, people saying they want the content to be easier instead of THEM THEMSELVES getting better to beat it is just as much assholery

[ClaireAbigail]

That attitude was just right down assholery.

Now, with that said, people saying they want the content to be easier instead of THEM THEMSELVES getting better to beat it is just as much assholery

It is what it is. What you call attitude is what I call being defensive. Some people here who doesn't raid came here guns blazing and quickly call the ones who raid "toxic". Everyone needs to wake up and smell the flowers. There's alot of content here and unless you don't have a job or school, you won't be able to do ALL of them. With that being said, just because you can't do X content, it doesn't mean you'll come whining here begging se to NERF the content. Find me someone with all zetas, 4 star crafter, all dreadwyrm, can fish and gather everything with a personal mansion, lvl 20 Chocobo while having a full time job or school had zero help from RMT. If you do that I'll quit raiding.

[Zohar_Lahar]

It is what it is. What you call attitude is what I call being defensive. Some people here who doesn't raid came here guns blazing and quickly call the ones who raid "toxic". Everyone needs to wake up and smell the flowers. There's alot of content here and unless you don't have a job or school, you won't be able to do ALL of them. With that being said, just because you can't do X content, it doesn't mean you'll come whining here begging se to NERF the content. Find me someone with all zetas, 4 star crafter, all dreadwyrm, can fish and gather everything with a personal mansion, lvl 20 Chocobo while having a full time job or school had zero help from RMT. If you do that I'll quit raiding.

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

[StrejdaTom]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

Nerfing it to the ground and then facerolling it wont make you any better than not clearing it at all.
Just do what you enjoy and dont care about what people say. And you can always make party of friends or FC mates to try to do it, or wait for example for Heavensward, overgear yourself and faceroll it without nerfing it.

[hallena]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now.

So you ask for nerf because people are calling you horrible?
You want coil nerfed and annoys thousands of people because a handful of raiders hurted your feelings?
And somehow we are toxic?

[Cadmar]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

I mean this in the nicest way possible and truly mean no offense by it.. but.. At this point, between ilvls and echo buff, T5 should be very close to a walk in the park. In my opinion there is absolutely zero reason that anyone shouldn't be able to have cleared that by now (with the exception of brand new players). I guess my point is.. if you really want to do it then you will find a way to get it done.

You say people are acting like those without a T5 clear are horrible players. That would be mean and I would never say that to anyone.. but my question then is.. what exactly do you call them? Uninterested? Unmotivated? If so, then fine. Go find something else to do and stop worrying about Coil.

I enjoy hardcore raiding. That does not make me a bad person. I want my raids to be insanely difficult and I don't want them nerfed. That does not make me an elitist. It is one sub-section of the game. The thing that stinks is that people who don't "hardcore raid" seem to always want to change the raids to make them easier. On the other hand, the people who do "hardcore raid" leave the more "casual" group alone to do their thing with no interference. Let us have our raids in peace and you guys go do whatever it is you do.

[Ashkendor]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

The majority of people in this thread aren't saying or acting like any such thing. If I say that T6 is easy, I mean that I myself find it easy. I cleared it before the nerfs and before Echo, so of course it's much simpler to me now. Viewing that comment as a personal insult to you is completely your own doing. Some people think T13 is easy. I personally don't, as my static has only cleared it once so far and is still working on cleaning up some of the mechanics. If someone says it's easy, I assume they've just had the fight on farm for awhile now. I don't assume that they are calling me bad.

If you aren't interested in clearing Coil, that's also completely up to you. If you are interested and just haven't been able to finish the content for whatever reason, many of us would be willing to help. I know I've helped with countless T5 and T9 clears, and have even gone with a few learning parties for 10 through 13. Unfortunately, you are not on the right server for me myself to be able to help you, but I'm sure there are people on your server that would be just as willing. The thing is, people don't typically put up party finders reading "Veteran player wanting to help new people get T9 clears," so you have to put up your own stating that you are looking for help with the content.

Having the content nerfed to the ground and then facerolling it won't make you any better of a player. Some of the people that cleared T9 before echo was put in actually look down on those that cleared after the fact. I don't really care, honestly. Stop worrying so much about what people think of you and just do what you like to do.

It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. Do what's fun for you.

[Jamein]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

The people saying you're a horrible player are in the minority, most of us who have cleared coils know that fights like t5/t9 require at least a half decent PARTY. It doesn't fall down to one player.


That being said, I know so many people who cleared t5/t9 solely through PF just by creating learning parties, then practice parties, then clear parties. It took a while but they did it. So the reason I get so annoyed with people asking for nerfs, is because if you actually want to clear the content it can be done, you just have to put the effort into it. If you are not willing to put that effort in, or don't think it is worth your time then that is completely understandable, it just means you want to play the game a different way and I accept that, but I do not accept that you want content to be made easier for people (on top of echo + better gear).

Echo is fine, if people want they can still click echo off, so I have ZERO complaints about that at all.

Then there is the whole 'elitist' concept.

I despise that term. Do I think I am better than others because I have a static? God no. I have simply put more time and effort into end game raiding than you.
As for the whole 'I don't have time for a static' it's not a great argument, a static doesn't have to be ridiculously hardcore. Mine has mandatory raid days of Thursday night and Sunday afternoon. These are the days that worked best everyone, between that we organise if we can go other nights of the week, some weeks we go twice, some weeks we might go most nights.

If people don't like the idea of a static that's fine. My FC doesn't and they raid casually through the week with whatever party setups they can get together and so far they have cleared t10 as an FC.

As I have said, if you want to clear end game raids, put your time into end game raids. If you don't then that is absolutely fine, but don't start asking for nerfs then when others get annoyed by that start calling them toxic and elitist. We don't think we are better than you, we've just put more effort into the content that we find the most fun to play.

With that being said as well, now that lockout is lifted this whole us and them mentality has pretty much gone, I'll farm t10/t11/t12 to gear up my offspecs in PF, I don't expect a clear everytime either, and I'm also happy to help people out with t5/t9 groups if i see them struggling in PF. The most toxic attitudes I see lately are from the people who want the first clears. I'll join a PF group and pretty much throw music on and chill out and relax as I do the fight, then I see the people in party chat raging out, and it's usually the ones who wanted the clear. So this whole toxic attitude goes both ways.