Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[Hyrist]

Hand over you're weapons... but you keep that vial of nearly empty unidetifiable substace on you. >.>

Actually, the whole 'keep the vial on you' even though you're about to go visit the head of a state for a private ordiance is a bit silly too. Momodi couldn't of kept a hold of it until after the meeting?

Let's face it, after the whole 'it's not what it looks like!' scene, does the WoL really think a fair trial awaits him/her in a city that is known to be rotten to the core? More so when one of its leaders is calling you guilty from the off without having of even seen an empty vial, or at least first suspecting the person that poured the wine in the first place.

Fighting his/her way out unarmed also is a pretty bad aspect too. None of their options were good, honestly. WoL Dun goofed.

But really, poisoning the Sultana? That's pretty audacious. Nobody thought someone would be bold enough to attempt that. Manipulate and out maneuver the Sultana and usurp her throne? Sure, outright murder and a pretty blatant framing? That's kind of beyond the aspirations of a greedy Merchant. Or at least that was the common assumption.

[Mistoltin]

It was understood, my retort was not. Again, you're taking agency for a character you don't own. Anyone can speculate what ANY WoL is capable or not capable of doing. Your headcannon for your character is irrelevant.

If what you're saying is true, then SE have failed hard with this game, because unfortunately I need to point out that this is an MMO, multiplayer, y'know?
It's bad enough that we're all the same person essentially in these cutscenes, but to say that the character isn't even ours? Major fail when it comes to the genre, dude.

This game has enough issues as it is without us having no handle over our avatars.
So please, stop defending anything in this game by using that remark, because it's just substituting one fault with anther and it's ridiculous.

[Moqi]

expect to have each argument systematically picked apart

This is comedy gold. But stay delusional if you think you've managed to justify all the inconsistencies.

[Natsuno]

Fighting his/her way out unarmed also is a pretty bad aspect too. None of their options were good, honestly. WoL Dun goofed.

But really, poisoning the Sultana? That's pretty audacious. Nobody thought someone would be bold enough to attempt that. Manipulate and out maneuver the Sultana and usurp her throne? Sure, outright murder and a pretty blatant framing? That's kind of beyond the aspirations of a greedy Merchant. Or at least that was the common assumption.

Yeah, I know. Don't get me wrong, I like the story (despite some of the obvious plot devices). I'm just trying to think how differently it could of been handled.

It's been long established that the Main character assumes the best out of everyone but the most obvious threats. Failing of the main story character, but s/he seems to be overly trusting of others pretty constantly.

Let's see if that changes in Heavensward, as the tale is supposed to be darker.

Agreed.

[Kiyashi]

Hate to say it but I agree on a lot of those counts. That being said though, they had to separate you from the Scions and get you to Ishgard somehow by yourself. This was the answer I'm afraid. I liked the story though because they have to put some level of mystery behind it all. We'll find out more in the story in Heavensward which is what SE wanted with this type of ending.

[Gemma]

stuff.

The Scions aren't the ones accused of murdering the Sultana, you are. How would guards bursting in going, "It was him/her! arrest him/her" and you being like, "RAWR I'M GONNA KILL ALL OF YOU!!" look innocent? Doesn't matter if most of the common folk believe you, the people with power in Ul'dah are going to follow the money.

And it's also a weak excuse by saying, "The only reason we aren't soloing these fights is cause its an mmo". Okay? So your character is pretty much a God in your eyes and everyone you do stuff with is just there cause it's an MMO. Riiiiight >_>

Again, you are out numbered in that scene & SE has already predetermined your characters personality. No matter how much you say, "My character wouldn't do that!" it doesn't matter because the WoL would & did because SE says that's how your character would react to these situations.

[Hyrist]

If what you're saying is true, then SE have failed hard with this game, because unfortunately I need to point out that this is an MMO, multiplayer, y'know?
It's bad enough that we're all the same person essentially in these cutscenes, but to say that the character isn't even ours? Major fail when it comes to the genre, dude.

This game has enough issues as it is without us having no handle over our avatars.
So please, stop defending anything in this game by using that remark, because it's just substituting one fault with anther and it's ridiculous.

I'm not substituting one fault for another expecting it to be an excuse. I'm am pointing out the truth of the matter. Your distaste for it is fine.

But it's been long established that they treat the main story as single player and the multiplayer components are primarily focused around gameplay. MSQ exists in a vacuum and all I'm doing is making sure you take it for what it is, not to make assumptions on things that are not true.

I'm neutral as to my preferences to the story, I have other games in which I have possession of character agency in the main story.

This is comedy gold. But stay delusional if you think you've managed to justify all the inconsistencies.

Now who's making assumptions?

Most of these plot holes can be explained by child-level deductions of the plot queues. There are much bigger holes than most the ones being expressed here that could be focused on.

[Aeyis]

And it's also a weak excuse by saying, "The only reason we aren't soloing these fights is cause its an mmo". Okay? So your character is pretty much a God in your eyes and everyone you do stuff with is just there cause it's an MMO. Riiiiight >_>

Again, you are out numbered in that scene & SE has already predetermined your characters personality. No matter how much you say, "My character wouldn't do that!" it doesn't matter because the WoL would & did because SE says that's how your character would react to these situations.

As shown every time you enter Ul'dah after the story events...not.

Now who's making assumptions?

Most of these plot holes can be explained by child-level deductions of the plot queues. There are much bigger holes than most the ones being expressed here that could be focused on.

Perhaps that's your problem: You are using child-level deductions.

All I can say to the people who are crying about why their WoL didn't attack and fight is, your character must be a monster then...
.....
Why that seems unfathomable is beyond me...

Because shocker, some of us consider our WoL character as a human being that cares about others. Instead of the faceless guy that doesnt give a damn about anyone else, that some people seem to think of their WoL.

If caring about others (even in a game) makes me a monster, then so be it.

[myahele]

Plot demands it

[Hyrist]

I do believe those scenes could have been handled better, but the only way I feel they could have been handled better is if the Warrior of Light was removed from the events of the banquet all together.

Supplant the WoL with Minfilia - the Ascendant is brought into speak with the Sultana and then the Sultana is poisoned. Now we have a pacifist in the position a Warrior of Light was. The cut-scenes play out the same.

The WoL is instead tasked with rescuing Alfy alongside Pipin, with WoL meeting Minfilia outside of the escape route, but she pulled back in via the Crystal's intervention.

This would do less injury to everyone's agency over the WoL, though have less of a personal impact on the WoL themselves, unless s/he experienced it during the Echo.

Perhaps that's your problem: You are using child-level deductions.

Insults are the resort of a weak wit. Argue the points, not the people. You could have retorted that there shouldn't be the need for such deductions and that the story could have been crafted so that there was no need to justify WoL's actions. Though that may well be an impossibility when you want to clean the slate storyline wise.

Better question: How would you have done it?