Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[AdamFyi]

It's already been explained a lot more eloquently than I could by another user. The Sultana had no reason not to agree to meet you armed, she trusted you.

Why would she even mention anything about the weapon? If you look at the cutscenes, the WoL was only summoned by the Sultana. Prior to the meeting with her, you had to go through the handmaiden of whom may have asked you to leave your weapon behind for whatever reason such as for security purposes. Nanamo would probably not even notice that your weapon was missing since she has a lot going through her mind.

Plus, asking to bring a weapon to a private meeting with one of Eorzea's powerful leaders seems kind of sketchy and suspicious.

[Hyrist]

It's already been explained a lot more eloquently than I could by another user. The Sultana had no reason not to agree to meet you armed, she trusted you.

You assume she was the one that requested you be unarmed before entry. She was likely not.

[Remus]

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Might as well call all the Scions monsters then because they were going to be put in prison as well but fought anyway because it wouldn't make a difference in the situation. As they said in the next scene by Raubaun he knew you didn't do it and we all know most people in Ul'dah know the Brass Blades are the most corrupted. So fighting a few guards to make your way to the hall where everyone is and telling them something happened to the sultana would do less damage and they can investigate. You mention having teammates and too be honest the only reason you have teammates is because of the MMO aspect. Tell me why the heck would you waste time getting your friends when Minfilia just got kidnapped by a Ascian and they even say enter quickly before the rift closes =_=.

There were many ways they could have approached this quest but the one they picked was the worse. I can bet most people would prefer fighting while escaping instead of just running away. In my opinion i would rather them have it so its a solo duty and you are escaping Ul'dah while fighting guards trying to make for the exit. That would be more interesting right now just made my character look like some weak guy which annoys me a little. As I said before I don't mind the story as a whole but they should have taken a different approach. It sort of ended with your character being some weak guy who runs from a few soldiers and taking shelter in Ishgard. In that whole cutscene the only person with some form of combat skills who didn't fight was me.

[Riepah]

You assume she was the one that requested you be unarmed before entry. She was likely not.

Following such a request by anybody else would be pure insanity, knowing about how unstable things are in Ul'dah and that something's fishy with being called away by a person who won't show up only to find a vial with an unidentified liquid in it. Come on.

[Hyrist]

Understand it then, and post after.

It was understood, my retort was not. Again, you're taking agency for a character you don't own. Anyone can speculate what ANY WoL is capable or not capable of doing. Your headcannon for your character is irrelevant.

[Jynx]

I do hope they give our character more agency in the story besides being the token errand boy.

1.0 had more agency with our characters actions, our fights would lead up from story cutscenes rather than Cutscene, cutscene, talk to NPC to to instanced dungeon.

[Moqi]

OMG again with the assuming, no I'm not. Whatever, you're a lost cause, that white on your armour is clearly bliding you.

Look, FFXIV is entertaining, but the story is dumb as hell and full of plot holes. It's fine, whatever, if I played this game solely for the storyline I'd be dumber than the story itself. I don't understand why some of you get so riled up when people point out the obvious. It's like an action movie, full of dramatic custscene that don't make any sense when you think about them, but they're not made to make you think, they just need to entertain you and they do their job alright.

[Kallera]

Semantics, and unnecessary ones at all.

If you want to say "I want a fight scene/battle I can't win." It's going to still be the exact same issue. "Why can't I beat these Brass Blades I was able to handle so easily during my level 15 Uldahn quest!?"

Never had any sort of discussion like that with the higher levels guards before.

Dragon Age: Origins's fight against Ser Cauthrien handled arresting the player better. It gave agency and consequence, and hard enough to make escape/submission look the wiser choice. Now I'm not saying make taledji an elite boss, but they both got a wall of guards ,isn't involving the player's interaction in the plot what makes a video game a video game?

Instead of saying "the WoL did this, then the WoL did that, then the WoL left Minfillia behind" Shouldn't I, with my created character, be saying " I did this, I did that before running, and I said this to minfillia but she went anyway."?

[Hyrist]

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If you're not taking agency with your character (which is a reversion of your previous posts and an outlier to the majority of the arguments against the passivisim of the character in this topic) then you are still failing to understand the motivations behind each character, including your own.

You're fine to critique the story with a broad brush but expect to have each argument systematically picked apart by those who loremonger and actually pick up on the rather obvious setups they were doing throughout the plot. Just because the game does not go out of its way to explain every single minute detail regarding a situation, does not mean it was not anticipated in the story.

Following such a request by anybody else would be pure insanity, knowing about how unstable things are in Ul'dah and that something's fishy with being called away by a person who won't show up only to find a vial with an unidentified liquid in it. Come on.

It's been long established that the Main character assumes the best out of everyone but the most obvious threats. Failing of the main story character, but s/he seems to be overly trusting of others pretty constantly.

Let's see if that changes in Heavensward, as the tale is supposed to be darker.

[Natsuno]

Following such a request by anybody else would be pure insanity, knowing about how unstable things are in Ul'dah and that something's fishy with being called away by a person who won't show up only to find a vial with an unidentified liquid in it. Come on.

Hand over you're weapons... but you keep that vial of nearly empty unidetifiable substace on you. >.>

Actually, the whole 'keep the vial on you' even though you're about to go visit the head of a state for a private audience is a bit silly too. Momodi couldn't of kept a hold of it until after the meeting?

Let's face it, after the whole 'it's not what it looks like!' scene, does the WoL really think a fair trial awaits him/her in a city that is known to be rotten to the core? More so when one of its leaders is calling you guilty from the off without having of even seen an empty vial, or at least first suspecting the person that poured the wine in the first place.