The Monk Temple Reborn

[Ricdeau]

I prefer to have over 400, and I like having 440ish, it makes everything feel way smoother. A lot of my dummy runs on my youtube are on high skillspeed sets, and I'm still able to go for 4:00. The effect of skillspeed on TP isnt that noticeable once you learn when to cut out TP draining moves.

I haven't had the gear to do that much SS without take a big hit on my STR in a long time. My terrible luck with FCoB drops.

The 422 I have right now is the highest I've been in a long time actually.

[Victorixvii]

Right now im running 450+ skill speed to 472 skill speed and i can go for 3:45-3:50 (using limited amounts of fracture) with those respectfully, The latter is for t13 http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6777347/ http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Q3KR thats my t13 set atm though im am aiming for this set once all said and done http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Q3KT

[Craiger]

I prefer to have over 400, and I like having 440ish, it makes everything feel way smoother. A lot of my dummy runs on my youtube are on high skillspeed sets, and I'm still able to go for 4:00. The effect of skillspeed on TP isnt that noticeable once you learn when to cut out TP draining moves.

Cut TP draining moves? Then you're just reducing your DPS

Having that much Skill Speed, will always give you lower DPS in my experience... and you will run out of TP much sooner. 4 minutes is too short IMO, and either way, I haven't found a high Skill Speed set that gives you as much DPS as other options, and that's because it has much lower stat weight...

Your purposed BiS isn't taking into account accuracy based foods. When factoring those in you can gain higher STR value than what your set provides with Black Truffle Risotto. So the follow sets are comprised of non-crafted pieces using different foods. STR values listed are obviously only showing stats produced from the gear and removing base/racial stats.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Q3J5
The set you linked reaching 538 accuracy from gear alone resulting in 495.872 STR using Black Truffle Risotto.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PZBQ
This set results in 537 accuracy and 496.438 STR using Flint Caviar. (+0.566 STR)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Q3IQ
This set results in 535 accuracy and 495.992 STR using Apkallu Eggs. (+0.12 STR)

Not a huge difference, but it needs to be noted what food is being used. I mean if you're going to run T13 accuracy you likely won't be skipping the food. Obviously Flint Caviar isn't something everyone is going to have easy access to, but Apkallu Eggs are easy enough to obtain. Any of those three sets will be more than sufficient. Also it must be noted that stat weights are about to be revised based on some info Dervy is stumbling into (the person that gave us the current weights we use).

As Odowla also stated low Skill Speed isn't a mandatory thing. I prefer having around 400 Skill Speed. With this my combos feel more fluid to me. This can be kind of a personal judgement, and when we're talking about sets within ~1 STR or less it's not going to make much of a difference.

That's true, sorry. But your last set there, have slightly too low Skill Speed I think.

It's very little difference though

[Ricdeau]

Cut TP draining moves? Then you're just reducing your DPS

Having that much Skill Speed, will always give you lower DPS in my experience... and you will run out of TP much sooner. 4 minutes is too short IMO, and either way, I haven't found a high Skill Speed set that gives you as much DPS as other options, and that's because it has much lower stat weight...

Crit vs Skill Speed is a 0.008 difference in favor of Crit. 0.214 vs 0.206. They are almost equal. However, I do agree that the Apkallu Eggs set has a bit too low Skill Speed for my tastes, but the raw paper math shows it's a higher STR value which is what we were throwing out there. Honestly, weights only take you so far because you can't actually simulate the random happenings of a fight. So they are all just rough guidelines anyway since they can so easily fluctuate.

[SunnyHirose]

The skill speed stat does catch up to crit if you've got both of 'em high.

[Odowla]

Cut TP draining moves? Then you're just reducing your DPS

Having that much Skill Speed, will always give you lower DPS in my experience... and you will run out of TP much sooner. 4 minutes is too short IMO, and either way, I haven't found a high Skill Speed set that gives you as much DPS as other options, and that's because it has much lower stat weight...

Yes, you're right, as opposed to running out of TP and going gcd to gcd at 3:00. Also, 4:00 is exactly how long almost all the melees can go before they're dry with about half cooldown on Invigorate. There really isnt much you can do about that, etiher. I'd rather cut ToD than be sitting there going tp tick to tp tick because I didn't want to lose 5 dps. (its a loss of more than that, BTW..)

[SunnyHirose]

With my limited resources, I have used non-BiS (but closeish for non-crafted) gear to see if the stat weights are in the right ballpark. Spoiler: They ain't.

Link: more numbers version.

Less numbers version:
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.572
CRT: 0.210
WD: always use your best weapon lol
SS: 0.196

I used EMX's spreadsheet to calculate the potency of weaponskills and the effects of skill speed and crit. I did make some substantial changes: e.g. GL3 haste on auto-attacks is considered here, and the rotation is the current standard (ToD every 15 GCDs) instead of the one it was using (alternate Fracture and ToD every 10 GCDs). I feel like it may be overestimating the average rotation potency slightly.

This shouldn't change how to itemize properly, though.

[Odowla]

Holy fucking shit that DET wieght.

[Ricdeau]

With my limited resources, I have used non-BiS (but closeish for non-crafted) gear to see if the stat weights are in the right ballpark. Spoiler: They ain't.

Link: more numbers version.

Less numbers version:
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.572
CRT: 0.210
WD: always use your best weapon lol
SS: 0.196

That's got to be a typo, right? I mean 0.572 weight on det would be crazy.

[Dervy]

I don't get your weight calculation. You decreased the value of STR to get the STR delta, but the interval increases of all the stats are different?


+10 for str, +9 for DTR, +1 CTR? Doesn't brother me that much, just curious.

I also assume that, your DET weighting is based off the DET scaling work you're doing atm?