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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    I would highly reccomend usinh more than 390 skillspeed, and dont even try it under 381, unless you have Fey Light - youll drop greased. Also do a fracture after the second Demo - it gets every buff.

    Let me know if you want help maximizing t13 -you can get monster parses in 7 mans.
    Also i think we should reconsider our cooldown rotations to maximize potion usage
    I manage perfectly fine with 375 sks using a similar opener to you. 2 pots, ToD after PB and so on. And that's from the EU. Although 375 sks sucks the big one in terms of how the class then feels. Slow, slow, slow....

    aaaand just tried with base skill speed still perfectly doable. Whether this transfers over to the coil instances I don't know though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GageRage View Post
    I manage perfectly fine with 375 sks using a similar opener to you. 2 pots, ToD after PB and so on. And that's from the EU. Although 375 sks sucks the big one in terms of how the class then feels. Slow, slow, slow....

    aaaand just tried with base skill speed still perfectly doable. Whether this transfers over to the coil instances I don't know though.
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
    If I had to guess I'd say Snap > Snap > Demo because of the refresh delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    If I had to guess I'd say Snap > Snap > Demo because of the refresh delay.
    But then it makes it not realllly that similar; the reason its so tight is the demo first :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
    And proof! Granted the 341 sks was a mix up on my part I did revert to the snap snap demo and paid no attention so disregard.

    Test 1
    Test 2

    Granted I change it up after the Demo and obviously drop DK for DK itself. But that's muscle memory kicking in and I prefer the flank to back to flank to back combo much better (don't ask me why ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GageRage View Post
    And proof! Granted the 341 sks was a mix up on my part I did revert to the snap snap demo and paid no attention so disregard.

    Test 1
    Test 2

    Granted I change it up after the Demo and obviously drop DK for DK itself. But that's muscle memory kicking in and I prefer the flank to back to flank to back combo much better (don't ask me why ).
    I feel like back > side > back> does more dps.. lol. not sure now.
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    Dam I thought i was about to Crack Odowla's 643 parse everything was going great burst in my opener for 770 dps then 2-3mins in was at 655-660 till that 2nd invigorate where i proceeded to get 0 crits (rng pls....) it was at 639 but i had to quickly fumble to end the encounter http://i57.tinypic.com/s42pfr.jpg http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QDXQ my gear set up no mercy stroke
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    Well, when you're wrong...you're wrong. I've never been able to do that with any kind of consistency on a dummy let alone having to move even more with a boss doing it even with my pretty low latency. You must have some crazy low latency even by NA standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    Well, when you're wrong...you're wrong. I've never been able to do that with any kind of consistency on a dummy let alone having to move even more with a boss doing it even with my pretty low latency. You must have some crazy low latency even by NA standards.
    As I said EU player with 110ms ping. Not really checked ping properly but the last time I used WTFast it brought it down to 96 apparently. Not sure how reliable the numbers the app itself gives though. However as I said I can't abide any lower than 375 sks and prefer to run at 390+. I did however try a 694 sks set and had a bit of fun with it. Not viable in the least as you might expect but fun nonetheless.

    With Selene I quite comfortably landed a 6gcd PB opener follow by the boot - boot - dk rotation you were talking about a little while ago in here. Obviously nothing fell and it was fun. The 6 gcd PB I used however was Snap - Snap - B4B - Demo - Twin - Pot - DK - Boot - IR - ToD - Howl - Boot.... so on and so on. Not the most potent and can probably do with some mathing out but the sacrifices far outweigh the gains. First and foremost being that you hit like a wet noodle. CHR is abysmal and Det is so low The funny thing is I can reach t13 flank cap but the tp loss is so substantial it's not worth it as was expected.
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    Out of curiosity, what is the most potent rotation on a set of 2 adds (i.e. T10 sons and daugthers)? I imagine applying DK on each add, double dotting with Demolish, then just spamming Rockbreaker until one dies, but this seems horribly inefficient. Also, variables to consider are raid DPS (high vs low affecting kill speed making Dem. on daughter pointless) and a NIN applying Trick Attack to a specific add (would this change the rotation priority to single target?).
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