Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[SunnyHirose]

That sounds like the same raid doing different things. That's not the same as different raids doing different things

I should probably add an additional hedge to my statement; of course overall raid EncDPS between two different raids is relevant when you want to talk speedruns.

But putting it another way: people almost always use EncDPS as a measure of individual performance without listing much about confounding factors if anything (though Luc at least has been showing screenshots with a few "mechanics handled" notes and which weapons people are using).

Like, mine didn't look so hot in T8 at first (when SCoB was current). Then when I tried out for my current FC, it shot way up because (1) OMG a bard that sings enough Paeon, and (2) it was my first time doing clears that weren't barely squeaking in under enrage. Same ilvl, same target dummy fight, about 17% better results. Even then, it's not exactly a great measure for dragoons, because in ideal conditions we spend 1/4 of the time under BfB (winning) and 3/4 not under BfB (not winning).

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Getting back to making this thread about boring BiS discussion, my measurements of actual damage make it seem that the Black Truffle BiS (411 determination, base skill speed) is a better pure-i130 T13 flank set than any with accuracy food. This isn't conclusive (and at the rate I've been testing things, likely will remain a tentative suggestion), but as FCoB is going free farm soon, I figured it's important to share.

Linearly regressed estimate of average non-crit damage per 100 potency at 58 WD 664 STR:
0.1196907465 × DET + 194.5728138
Linearly regressed estimate of average non-crit damage per autoattack with Dreadwyrm Spear (2.88s delay):
0.2306399028 × DET + 159.8923238
Linearly regressed estimate of average non-crit damage per 100 potency at 58 WD 634 STR:
0.1155303218 × DET + 186.7850665
Linearly regressed estimate of average non-crit damage per autoattack with Dreadwyrm Spear (2.88s delay):
0.2131865847 × DET + 156.5591748

(9 data points at 664 STR, 3 data points at 634 STR)

[enil]

Like, mine didn't look so hot in T8 at first (when SCoB was current). Then when I tried out for my current FC, it shot way up because (1) OMG a bard that sings enough Paeon, and (2) it was my first time doing clears that weren't barely squeaking in under enrage. Same ilvl, same target dummy fight, about 17% better results. Even then, it's not exactly a great measure for dragoons, because in ideal conditions we spend 1/4 of the time under BfB (winning) and 3/4 not under BfB (not winning).)

Well - if I saw numbers 17% higher than mine with the same gear/same fight, I'd ask what are they doing differently that's making such a big difference? Oh you guys don't run out of TP? I'll ask my BRD to sing more Paeon since it benefits raid dps etc. Like you said, encDPS isn't a measure of skill, it's just a number - maybe you didn't improve skill-wise at all but your raid's strategy improved.

[Odowla]

The good players will often hide their CD usage and specific tricks because they think it's mundane to post such basic information, or would rather hide it because they don't want to get copied.

A lot of the time, at least, some of us don't post things because we get told by someone that that's less than optimal, or its a waste of TP or resource or whatever the fuck, and the biggest problem with THAT, is if its not "theoretically better" its clearly never better in practice, and its a lot of the reason I just don't tell anyone my strats or anything anymore unless the discussion is about it in the firstplace.

[Daweism]

Well no one believes anything I say anyways lol, only Yan fanboys in here huehuehue. Don't believe anything Karama says unless he shows proof lol.

[Aeromat]

594 dps in t12 last night <3 My raid member cleared everything below 13 before we started that turn though, but I do have a screenshot of his stream showing my dps on his RainbowMage mini parse in case anyone's a bit skeptical. Unmerged. Was really proud of myself and at what DRG can accomplish.

I tried tabbing Phlebotomize/Disembowl/Chaos Thrust between Bennus at the beginning of phase 3. As the first Bennu dies, the MT at the time will move to the side with all the other Bennus. Our BLM begins casting LB and as this happens, Dragonfire Dive. Since most of the Bennus have Disembowl on them, most of them will take the extra dmg from Dragonfire Dive. Of course dots are ticking on them all. I didn't have a problem with tp starting phase 4. Other than that just strong dps phase 1-2 and going into 4. Never leaving Phoenix and also no lbing at end because I forgot that's a thing ^^'

[Nocturcity]

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I'm actually interested in watching the video of it, do you have your friend's Twitch?

Well no one believes anything I say anyways lol, only Yan fanboys in here huehuehue. Don't believe anything Karama says unless he shows proof lol.

It's because you're a lowly dirty controller player.

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Truth right there, all this stat weight stuff is so boring, DPS optimization is the funnest part of raiding for me.

[Odowla]

Truth right there, all this stat weight stuff is so boring, DPS optimization is the funnest part of raiding for me.

Problem with telling people about it is just mostly if it contradicts the "theory" of optimal DPS, people don't want to hear it even if it's a DPS increase in practice. |

like in T10, it would be a DPS increase in theory to dot all 4 adds, but in practice thats a massive loss because of all the travel time, etc.

[Daweism]

594 dps in t12 last night'

Nice, my best on T12 has only is 554 I think, what was your crit%, crit dmg%, raid dps and kill time on that run? That's an insane run, good job!

It's because you're a lowly dirty controller player.

Tera pls T_T

[SunnyHirose]

Problem with telling people about it is just mostly if it contradicts the "theory" of optimal DPS, people don't want to hear it even if it's a DPS increase in practice.

I think you may be underestimating how many people actually do want to hear it. Thing is, who has a bigger stake in saying something, someone who can only say "thanks", or a chronic naysayer? Anyway, don't let the bozos grind you down.

I can accept the official stance on parsing, but I think there is a side effect where it breeds a cynical culture of "brb using imagination since no parse". And even screenshots don't tell a complete story; it's rare that someone exports their complete combat logs to share publicly.

[Odowla]

I think you may be underestimating how many people actually do want to hear it. Thing is, who has a bigger stake in saying something, someone who can only say "thanks", or a chronic naysayer? Anyway, don't let the bozos grind you down.

I can accept the official stance on parsing, but I think there is a side effect where it breeds a cynical culture of "brb using imagination since no parse". And even screenshots don't tell a complete story; it's rare that someone exports their complete combat logs to share publicly.

usually i share my detailed breakdowns now, but t hats about it.