The Ninja Superthread

[PROBOUND]

(with shitty google translator lmao). http://ku-so.hatenadiary.jp/entry/2015/01/02/122726

If you scroll down, he talks about Fuma vs. Ration. His conclusion is this, if I've read it correctly:

If there's no vulnerability debuff (TA), use Ration

If you've just used TA or there's a vulnerability debuff, use Fuma

If there's Foes Requiem, use Ration.

Due to how shit google translate is, I can't tell whether or not he said to use Fuma or Ration with TA + Foes, I'm leaning towards the former. So yah, Firana is correct in a way with his Fuma Opener.

Lol Great read! Gotta love google translate.

Conclusion

When Zan tolerance is not riding to use the art of Kaminari遁.

If Zan resistant down is riding, better to use the shuriken is strong.　

When Requiem is riding the art of Kaminari遁 is strong.

I cant find the section where he mentions if both are up however (TA + Foe)? I would assume its Raiton due to Foe?

So essentially only (T11 asside) use Fuma when Trick attack is up (to prevent GCD clipping to maxmize dps)?

[Dervy]

When Requiem is riding is more strong to use Kaminari遁 art of the without-resistant down care Zan.

Whatever the hell this means, lmao. *shrugs*

[Dervy]

I'll update them today haha. I've already done them, just need to put them up.

I've been busy working on a new Damage Formula + a seriously long blog post >_<

EDIT: Updated them All the weights are the same ones that I've recently been posting on the "Official" threads, so there's nothing really new.

[Spayd]

EDIT:
Here's something interesting for you Ninja's out there. I've been following this guys blog for a while now and I've read through pretty much everything (with shitty google translator lmao). http://ku-so.hatenadiary.jp/entry/2015/01/02/122726

If you scroll down, he talks about Fuma vs. Ration. His conclusion is this, if I've read it correctly:

If there's no vulnerability debuff (TA), use Ration

If you've just used TA or there's a vulnerability debuff, use Fuma

If there's Foes Requiem, use Ration.

Due to how shit google translate is, I can't tell whether or not he said to use Fuma or Ration with TA + Foes, I'm leaning towards the former. So yah, Firana is correct in a way with his Fuma Opener.

Does this apply if my raiton never clip? Or even with zero mudra lag this is still the best?

[SunnyHirose]

If you scroll down, he talks about Fuma vs. Ration. His conclusion is this, if I've read it correctly:

The conclusion says: If no slashing debuff, Raiton. If slashing debuff, shuriken. If Foe Requiem is up, Raiton [regardless of slashing debuff; you'd have to scroll up to see that's what's meant].

Does this apply if my raiton never clip? Or even with zero mudra lag this is still the best?

It is predicated on the assumption that you'd still clip with Raiton even if you had no skill speed and no lag.

[Spayd]

The conclusion says: If no slashing debuff, Raiton. If slashing debuff, shuriken. If Foe Requiem is up, Raiton [regardless of slashing debuff; you'd have to scroll up to see that's what's meant].

It is predicated on the assumption that you'd still clip with Raiton even if you had no skill speed and no lag.

I don't remember my raiton clipping tbh or if they did, it was so small that it looks like it never did. Btw I live in Montreal and use Wtfast to overkill my connection, hence whh No mudra lag.

But basically, it still is a dps i crease to use fuma instead of raiton then?

[SunnyHirose]

If Raiton never clipped the GCD, Raiton would be better nearly every time (mobs with magic resistance or immunity, or the incredibly weird case where you are in range for shuriken but not Raiton would be the exceptions I can think of). But videos or it didn't happen :P

TA is not factored into this guideline at all. And looking at the math, he's calculating the debuff as 111% damage instead of the 110% damage it is. He's also using a GCD of 2s for estimation.

Not sure whether it alters the conclusion, but those last two definitely skew the math in favor of shuriken.

[AkashiXI]

I don't remember my raiton clipping tbh or if they did, it was so small that it looks like it never did. Btw I live in Montreal and use Wtfast to overkill my connection, hence whh No mudra lag.

But basically, it still is a dps i crease to use fuma instead of raiton then?

Is it even possible not to have mudra lag in Fcob though? Even with WTFast, a 70mb dl/20mb upload, and a PC rigged to handle any coil with constant 60fps, I still experience slight delays. Of course, like everyone else, it becomes nonexistent in other content. I have yet to hear (or see) anyone with perfect mudra lag in Fcob :/

[Spayd]

If Raiton never clipped the GCD, Raiton would be better nearly every time (mobs with magic resistance or immunity, or the incredibly weird case where you are in range for shuriken but not Raiton would be the exceptions I can think of). But videos or it didn't happen :P

Is it even possible not to have mudra lag in Fcob though? Even with WTFast, a 70mb dl/20mb upload, and a PC rigged to handle any coil with constant 60fps, I still experience slight delays. Of course, like everyone else, it becomes nonexistent in other content. I have yet to hear (or see) anyone with perfect mudra lag in Fcob :/

After further testing, it indeed clip but very little. On instance, I don't seem to get any more lag then in housing area, everything goes pretty smooth. I'll make a video when I'm home.

[SunnyHirose]

I was being facetious, but a video with those conditions would help us pin down whether the 1.0s/0.5s thing is good theory.