Specialist System in 3.0

[Gillionaire]

You're just arguing on technicality.. Is it a fallacy to say that only WHM/BRD/BLM have AOEs? sure is.. But do YOU wanna go in an aoe party with monks, ninjas, and Dragoons?

We're not only talking about capability, but viability matters a lot. Especially on something with a hard numerical figures like MB. When someone can create the same goods you can with half the cost, and the system is inherently lacking of overhead or any physical distinctions (i.e. good storefront location, aesthetics of the store, customer service, etc.) We ALL share the same store, which is the MB) You will not be able to compete.

The only thing that distinguishes one seller from another is the retainer name and the name stamp on the item depending on what it is.. Those two things are very little motivation for a buyer to consider, it's Price Price Price..

[Sibyll]

You're just arguing on technicality.. Is it a fallacy to say that only WHM/BRD/BLM have AOEs? sure is.. But do YOU wanna go in an aoe party with monks, ninjas, and Dragoons?

We're not only talking about capability, but viability matters a lot. Especially on something with a hard numerical figures like MB. When someone can create the same goods you can with half the cost, and the system is inherently lacking of overhead or any physical distinctions (i.e. good storefront location, aesthetics of the store, customer service, etc.) We ALL share the same store, which is the MB) You will not be able to compete.

The only thing that distinguishes one seller from another is the retainer name and the name stamp on the item depending on what it is.. Those two things are very little motivation for a buyer to consider, it's Price Price Price..

You assume that everyone crafts just to make gil and play the market board. No matter what changes they make, people with too much time on their hands will level alts so they can get an upperhand. Also, for someone that doesn't play the market board and doesn't care about making gil, why would I care what these people are doing?

I actually do think that raid-like lock outs and tome progression on crafter gear would even the playing field between casual crafters and hard core crafters, seeing as you love drawing comparisons with DoW/DoM end game content.

[scarebearz]

I actually do think that raid-like lock outs and tome progression on crafter gear would even the playing field between casual crafters and hard core crafters,

Why should casual crafters be Even with dedicated crafters?

[Gillionaire]

Also, for someone that doesn't play the market board and doesn't care about making gil, why would I care what these people are doing?

You don't, but I do. So I care.


It'll create Super Omnicrafters with 16 retainers at their disposal (most likely 32 since many such crafters have extra retainer subbed), with 8 dailies (if they have sealant like mats), and access to all desynth classes.

Now, I know that's a rather extreme case but there ARE people that just are that extreme. It's not like they have to constantly keep up to get there, once they grind out to level 60 then they're ready to operate at full capacity most likely.

It's just providing a motivation for people to step up their game to even more extreme levels. As it stands right now, there simply isn't enough of a reason to.. other than maybe extra retainers so some choose to do one or two alts to cover maybe another desynth or two and get the retainers. But it's not as if these people don't have the means to level up more alts. System just doesn't reward that kind of extreme behavior. Specialization WILL reward it quite handsomely.

[Orangard]

System just doesn't reward that kind of extreme behavior. Specialization WILL reward it quite handsomely.

Source?
Speculation?

[Gillionaire]

Source?
Speculation?

I was saying the current system doesn't reward someone having 8 crafters. Maybe 2 or 3 max, if somebody wants to capitalize on desynthesis and have enough retainer space.

Specialization system will reward it.

Source would be the interview where yoshi mentioned having only 1 specialization at a time.

Speculation? Everything at this point is, but you can't really argue that 32 retainers isn't better than 4.. and having access to 8 specialized classes isn't better than 1, or getting 72 oaknots a day isn't better than getting 9.. etc. Numbers > < =

[Orangard]

Specialization system will reward it.

Source would be the interview where yoshi mentioned having only 1 specialization at a time.

Speculation? Everything at this point is, but you can't really argue that 32 retainers isn't better than 4.. and having access to 8 specialized classes isn't better than 1, or getting 72 oaknots a day isn't better than getting 9.. etc. Numbers > < =

You should re-read that, it does say you can have multiple.
The delay in switching could be as little as an hour. After all the same speech is given for AST switching stances.. There will be a delay.

With out knowing what the crafts that are available under spec, you cannot knowingly say that it WILL or will NOT reward alts.
You can only guess. As can the rest of us.

People can have alts now, and grind out more oaknots every day.

[Gillionaire]

You should re-read that, it does say you can have multiple.
The delay in switching could be as little as an hour. After all the same speech is given for AST switching stances.. There will be a delay.

With out knowing what the crafts that are available under spec, you cannot knowingly say that it WILL or will NOT reward alts.
You can only guess. As can the rest of us.

People can have alts now, and grind out more oaknots every day.

That's true.. How long this "delay" will be, changes everything.
I just wish they'd made it a little more clear whether it would be a few hours, 24 hours, or a week. I honestly don't mind if all I have to do is just go to the guildmaster and speak to them (if your status with the guild is saved) and craft what I need, and switch back. But if that is indeed the case, doesn't it make you wonder why such a barrier would exist? What would be the point of it after all?

[Sibyll]

I was saying the current system doesn't reward someone having 8 crafters.

Cross class abilities. Having all 8 crafters is a necessity to do anything passed 1* on a single crafter.

[StouterTaru]

Cross class abilities. Having all 8 crafters is a necessity to do anything passed 1* on a single crafter.

She meant 8 different characters that craft. Even with desynthesis there's no need to have more than one max melded currently. You can do Ixali easily in unmelded 2.0 gear.