Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Ranzan

But I thought our new tools and equipment will be tome items? How it sounds that's the direction they are going with crafts.

I think they're referring to the gear specialists can use, like the token items we have right now.. Since they wouldn't be able to make gear unless they're WVR/LTW etc.
So it's a way to provide a non gear crafting class to get one's respective crafting gear.

I've said it before, a few days (and many pages) ago .. forcing specialization upon people is NOT a good thing.

Many of the posts here are, thankfully, elaborating on why it is a bad thing.

Oh, to the person who asked if we should have to level all of our DoM/DoW classes to 50 before raiding ... I ask you why shouldn't we? Knowing how each class plays, what they need and expect out of your class and what they can offer your class, can only make for more competent play, at all levels.

I have two alts,, neither are crafters or even very well levelled but if specialization works how people are predicting then I may consider levelling them up quickly.

that's assuming I don't just stop crafting, I don't mind the grinds too much but being locked out of crafting stuff would be really annoying.

As already stated we don't and cant craft all products and keep them selling anyways so we have to limit ourselves to what we would like to sell, ive been doing that for ages im like a supermarket selling the same crap each week with the occasional new item like the head of the dreadwyrm...<< still hasn't sold cus its grossly expensive but meh.


as for the people saying why jump to conclusions..? well your right we shouldn't but by voicing our concerns of how we wouldn't want to see it that gives SE feedback and maybe makes them reassess if they were intending to do exactly what people fear.

Originally Posted by giantslayer

Recipes and skills are retained after switching masters.

Yeah... for some reason I have a hard time believing they would refer to that kind of system as a "specialization" system..

Originally Posted by giantslayer

Progress is retained with the old master after switching (think beast tribe reputations, not desynth).

Skills and recipes are acquired through progression. New recipes are basically a replacement for the master book system. Skills are class specific and intended to give casual/single-class crafters a fighting chance at making top level recipes. Recipes and skills are retained after switching masters.

I pray to the twelve this is the case.. /pray

Originally Posted by Zfz

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Yes, if what they mean by the blue/red tokens and they're analogous to the weekly capped token of sorts, it'll definitely be beneficial to have alts and progress simultaneously.
I don't know how the leveling will be handled in the expansion but if it's anything like now.. less than 20 leve allowances for 5 lvls.. then my stockpile of 100 allowances should be enough to get to 60 on 2 classes. With 3 other characters, in the course of a few days I can probably hit level 60 over all 8 then start farming tokens..


Either way, it leaves a lot of room for some early expansion exploitations.. That's a common sight after every major patch, but I think the specialization will just exacerbate it more so than before.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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Couldn't you argue part of the reason why a hand full of people can control the market so easily is because of less market activity overall than in other MMOs, especially in terms of high-end gear?

I say this because nearly every other MMO I've played (WoW, Rift and the like) has prevents people from having all crafters on one toon and I am certain that people devoted to crafting had alts for the other crafts. Trading between your own characters was trivial. However, I recall in those games nearly every craft had some form of consumable that was desired by raiders. WoW had different armor buffs that had to be reapplied every time a piece of gear was upgrade, potions, gem socketing and food. Rift had similar stuff and runes you could apply to weapons for different effects as well as armor crafted from dungeon drops that were on par with raid loot.

Here the only consumables are made by Culinarian and Alchemist, and potions aren't used by most because of how expensive it can get. Gear isn't on par with raid gear, with the exception of accessories. My point is that when you have a more active economy via consumables it becomes more difficult for a single person to control every aspect of it due to the large demand, opening the market for others. Arguably the only aspect of FFXIVs market that fits this is Materia and that's heavily RNG based and not even crafting really.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

I say this because nearly every other MMO I've played(WoW, Rift and the like) has prevents people from having all crafters on one toon and I am certain that people devoted to crafting had alts for the other crafts. Trading between your own characters was trivial.

In WoW everyone I knew had all professions leveled and maxed, because alts were considered the norm in that game. (and professions were incredibly easy to level)

Originally Posted by Sibyll

However, I recall in those games nearly every craft had some form of consumable that was desired by raiders. WoW had different armor buffs that had to be reapplied every time a piece of gear was upgrade, potions, gem socketing and food. Rift had similar stuff and runes you could apply to weapons for different effects as well as armor crafted from dungeon drops that were on par with raid loot.

Here the only consumables are made by Culinarian and Alchemist, and potions aren't used by most because of how expensive it can get. Gear isn't on par with raid gear, with the exception of accessories. My point is that when you have a more active economy via consumables it becomes more difficult for a single person to control every aspect of it due to the large demand, opening the market for others. Arguably the only aspect of FFXIVs market that fits this is Materia and that's heavily RNG based and not even crafting really.

Well WoW crafted equipment hasn't been on par with the best available raid equipment in a good many years.
I certainly agree that I feel that (the highest level of) crafted items should be comparable to raid drops.

Certainly markets being more exclusive does change the flow of gil in that market, and make it harder to enter it.
However markets being available to all from the start also brings with it problems as seen with for example WoWs AH.
Items being massively devalued because a random player decides they want a quick buck happens a lot more often there.

Buying/reselling (of higher value items) happens a heck of a lot more often there as well, as it's far easier to ''fool'' those that aren't heavily into markets. I've seen people make hundreds of thousands (equavalent of dozens of millions in FFXIV) simply by buying and reselling.
Because a lot of the people that use WoWs AH just arent very knowledgable about the items they try to sell/buy.

That is the disadvantage of a more open market.


While certainly individual markets can be controlled to a greater degree here, and in WoW the entire marketboard can be controlled by the more invested tradebaron. And they were.


That all aside, I think it's good to remember that crafting in this game is not the same as in other games. Crafters are their own classes here, not a side profession that everyone takes. It takes a lot of time an dedication to actually level them here.
And on the flip side it's more enjoyable as such. (the only other game in which I enjoyed crafting was LOTRO)