Why Speed Pulls?

[Sousoulsu]

Good thing she does not team with me when I tank, because she'd be the deadest healer you ever seen...

And on and on the subject of forming PF's, "Habitual" Speed Runner's have the same options as well, you can form a PF if you want it done in a certain time frame or deal with what team you get.

Oh so you're one of those huh? Do that to me and I'll let the mob kill you. And no it's not a general consensus.

Choosing for a dungeon to fail when it is within your power to make it succeed? That sounds like [Harassment] :3c

[Sousoulsu]

Nope. I won't list them, but I will list why I won't:

1. It's none of your business.
2. I've said just about all I need to say on the matter in nearly every thread that's ever existed about it ever.
3. The aforementioned reason lies less with the speed running itself (which I've already mentioned I find boring - this contradicts #1, I'm aware) and more with the negative impact it's had/caused on the community in general.
4. I don't intend to debate with you as we're likely to not agree on the matter. Ever.
5. Plenty of the valid points already made are in line with my own reasons.
6. See #1, #2, and #5.

What you say in this post is that you have no response to my inquiry?
Why even post in the thread, then? What you posted is effectively spam.

[Sousoulsu]

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This is a long one, so I may have to answer it in multiple posts.
1)I've healed i90 Tanks in KotL, WP(H), and AK(H). They did not need to use any defensives whatsoever. The only thing that would make them need to do so is if they were to multipull, which they opted not to do.
2)Yes, I keep track of the group's relevant defensive cooldowns. Tank CDs, Apocatastasis, DPS' e4e (if I notice they're using it), PLD's cover, etc.
I find it second-nature. I understand many people don't go this far(possibly why they have trouble with and dislike speedruns), but it's a good idea to keep track of major CDs.

[Sousoulsu]

3)It's hardly RNG with large pulls. Shield Swiping the Vuln. Down/Splash mobs in Pharos (when that was somewhat difficult to do in the first pull) made an impossible pull possible. With WARs, you get the benefit of higher damage output from the tank, so the net result is roughly the same time in the dungeon.
4)by managing aggro I more mean making sure every enemy is hit as you keep running to get more. If an enemy only has prox aggro, a healer re-stoneskinning or casting e4e o nyou will draw aggro. As for during the pull though, I'd say it's more interesting to manage aggro and give yourself room to 1-2-3 things to get debuffs up on them than it is doing single pulls.

[Sousoulsu]

5)This whole thing just seems like you aren't used to this style of clearing content.
After establishing hate (1-2 flashes) you are actually generally safe to 1-2-3 a large, hard-hitting enemy in the pack because the mobs will be stunned for 5.5 seconds, just enough time for you to flash back or Cover anybody who's riding your threat. This is the sort of thing a good tank will do that does not need to be done when you are single-pulling. It should not be surprising that players need to be better when you are doing large pulls.

[Sousoulsu]

I'll address your multiple "What about WARs?" points now:
PLDs and WARs bring different things to the table. PLDs bring utility and relatively safer pulls. WARs bring.. ..Damage.
Both are useful. Some pulls are harder with a WAR than a PLD. PLDs are generally better for speedruns because they can do pulls that WARs simply cannot, but both are useful and the difference in time between the two tanks is negligible, unlike the differences between the two healers. Unfortunately, WHMs are strictly better for speedruns.

[Sousoulsu]

And now, I will address what you said about

I just hate it when poetics geared tanks do single or double pulls. It's extremely boring.

That was a statement psoted as example. An overgeared tank should not be single-pulling, period. Even if the healer at the exact gear level to queue in; the tank's overgearing makes double and triple pulls easy to heal through. The healer may not be able to DPS, but the run will go faster with multipulls.
It's boring, but I don't get frustrated when a new or low-geared tank does small pulls; but even an at-ilvl tank can do most double-pulls with general ease.
Dungeon content is very, very loosely tuned. You can get through it with doublepulls with a tank that spams flash and doenst use cooldowns, a healer who spams heals into the tank, and DPS who spam their 1 on mobs - as long as boss mechanics are handled properly.

There is no feasible excuse for doing single-pulls in a level 50 dugneon.

[Rasylia]

Its probably safe to say that any discussion with Sousoulso is kind of useless, because .... well firstly he only knows numbers, secondly he only takes his own opinion as relevant and lastely he ignores most things we say.

And now, I will address what you said about

That was a statement psoted as example. An overgeared tank should not be single-pulling, period. Even if the healer at the exact gear level to queue in; the tank's overgearing makes double and triple pulls easy to heal through. The healer may not be able to DPS, but the run will go faster with multipulls.
It's boring, but I don't get frustrated when a new or low-geared tank does small pulls; but even an at-ilvl tank can do most double-pulls with general ease.
Dungeon content is very, very loosely tuned. You can get through it with doublepulls with a tank that spams flash and doenst use cooldowns, a healer who spams heals into the tank, and DPS who spam their 1 on mobs - as long as boss mechanics are handled properly.

There is no feasible excuse for doing single-pulls in a level 50 dugneon.

YES THERE IS. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT MY GEAR IS - IF I DONT WANT TO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ME.
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Get that in your mind.

[Rasylia]

People have different playtyles. Some play for raids. Some play for roleplaying. Some play for low end content. Other play to do gathering / crafting. Others play just for fun, play for glamour.
Everyone has a different reason.
Everyone likes to do it another way.
Noone has the right to force anyone to play the way he likes.

If i want to do masspulls, i check if a) my group can handle it b) if they want to.
If i dont want to do masspulls, i dont do it.
If you want masspulls - play as tank.

/over and out. Discussing stuff with this guy is complete waste of time. For hi m there is no indivuduality, only numbers, his own opinion and how much time he can win by speedrunning everything.

[Sousoulsu]

Its probably safe to say that any discussion with Sousoulso is kind of useless, because .... well firstly he only knows numbers, secondly he only takes his own opinion as relevant and lastely he ignores most things we say.



YES THERE IS. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT MY GEAR IS - IF I DONT WANT TO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ME.
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Get that in your mind.

I'm doing everything but ignoring what people say. I am responding to it point by point. This is what a discussion is. I'd like to see people's opinions and assertions backed up with reasoning.

I do not "only know numbers', though. I also know that situation awareness is what makes a player good. You should be able to tell if the current situation requires you to use RoT or DS. Numbers can not tell you that. They are just useful to math out if an ability is worth using in a given situation.

Everyone has a different reason.
Everyone likes to do it another way.
Noone has the right to force anyone to play the way he likes.

True. But I would like to see people's reasonings for why they think a certain way. They get upset with me when I ask them to quantify their playstyle.
I like speedrunning because it is challenging light-party content, and I like small groups over large, and there is no content currently in the game that is a genuine challenge for light parties outside of speedrunning.
^Fully quantified opinion. It is an opinion, but I quantify it with understandable reasoning.

/over and out. Discussing stuff with this guy is complete waste of time. For hi m there is no indivuduality, only numbers, his own opinion and how much time he can win by speedrunning everything.

You only think discussing anything with me is a waste of time because you don't like the way in which I quantify things.
Amewsing :3