The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[desufin]

Even if everyone accepted this, it still would not explain why the reward does not equal the time investment.

First of all time investment versus reward differs between players and what SE has in mind. Secondly, the stats on the relic isn't the single reward the weapon provides which many seem to overlook (yet the fact that it is unique and different is why so many want it and complain about it being hard to get because of its heavy time investment requirement). If we really want to talk about time investment equaling reward, then I must say relic by far beats out all the beast tribes except ixal in terms of time required and the rewards you get for it. Does that mean beast tribes are in a serious need of buffs or nerfs? Not at all. Because the rewards are what SE deemed the time investment to be equal to. That exact same logic applies to the relic. And for reference, if you are decently invested into it, it takes less than 30 days to get a relic to i125 from scratch.
The same can't be said for beast tribes.

Edit: And yes I know the ACTUAL time investment between the two are grossly different but you still can't max out a beast tribe faster than 28.5 days where as how fast you do relic is completely up to yourself.

[Warlyx]

i stoped after doing the books was waiting for the next step , but got hit with the grind of alexandrites and materias......NO WAY im going to grind days for materias or worse buy it off the MB, most overpriced thing ever, at least pets are cool and u justs need 1 and u keep it forever.

so bought the soldiery weapon and upgraded it , and after a while i got my high allagan , now im using the augmented ironwork weapon until i get the Fcob weapon (if it drops ) else i could careless , the expansion will bring new weapons :P

Good thing i keep my sanity this way , and my gil , was able to buy some pets , dye my nin af gear :3 and lots of things with the gil i saved instead of wasting it on relic ^_^

so u tell me after farming atmas ugh , u farm books that suuuucks (1$!$! FATES that take days to spawn!! , and low lvl dungeons that no1 cares about anymore) , ok u make it , now what? oh materias and alexandrites ? !$!$!$ IT , /ragequit .....ok u have 0 gil and are going crazy but finally made it..............now farm lights! , SE mastertroll

[Izsha]

Stop being an elitist.

The point is. Is not fun to farm 9 books doing old content. You want a weapon only good players can have it? Fine but put challange stuff instead of boring stuff. How About to clear some coil raid 3 times instead doing old dungeons with 20+ minutes queue?

Saying that if you don't enjoy something, it may not be for you isn't elitest. Some people DO like it. Not everyone likes the same stuff so instead of demanding everything cater to your specific likes, leave it be for those that do like it. Everything isn't fir everyone. There's nothing wrong with that.

One day people might accept that everything in a game isn't designed for them. Maybe. Possibly?

Nah who am I kidding.

[RichardButte]

Again, folks, this isn't about "If you don't enjoy it, don't do it!"

It's about the fact that other MMOs have had nearly identical questlines/objectives that have been fun and challenging instead of bland and tedious.

I refuse to believe that Yoshi-P can do such a magnificent job with so much of the game and then be completely unable to cook up a decent relic weapon questline/progression system...

[Parodine]

I will say this: the materia step should honestly be the least stressful step.

Spiritbonding is incredibly easy and you could very quickly get all the tier 1, 2, and 3 materia you need in a day. The tier 4's can always be added in later if you find you have more money and want to. But it won't make or a break a weapon.

[Felis]

You uh, you realize that Animus books got more expensive in 2.4, and actually only reached equality with 2.3 Animus books when 2.5 inflated Sol again right? 1 myth = 0.33 of 1 sol according to the game's conversion rate, but books were only cut to 50% of original price.

Ignore the convention rate, forget the convention rate.
All what is important was how fast someone can earn 500 soldiery during 2.4 versus 1500 myths during 2.3

[RichardButte]

One day people might accept that everything in a game isn't designed for them

Millions of people accepted that WoW's heroics aren't for them, as less than 5% of WoW players will ever clear that content at level/tier.

But that's because those are extremely difficult and don't hide that fact.

The relic weapon quest starts out somewhat challenging and interesting: you have to clear hard bosses and there's a storyline that goes along with it. But then, all of that suddenly falls away and it becomes a checklist of rehashing old content.

The issue I have with this is that, above all, it's unnecessary. There could've been a long running storyline that lasted until 3.0, and yes, it could've involved doing challenging things which were initially hard but gradually made easier over time.

The most accessible content in the game shouldn't be obscenely boring. WoW has plenty of horribly boring grinds, too, but those don't even reward gear...

[Gilthas]

It would do absolutely nothing of the sort, provided you only have to run 24 man raids.

MoP's legendary questline wound throughout the entire expansion, having a progressing storyline that was interesting, time-consuming and CHALLENGING, without resorting to making us go hang around level 20 areas for days at a time or run old, poorly-designed dungeons.

If Blizzard can make this work and not be utter shit, SE can do the same, right?

No, it would do exactly just that.

There are already two weapons that are obtained through the highest level raid (Ironworks and Dreadwyrm) and you want to put a third weapon there? There's a reason that relic weapons don't require Final Coil.

I will say this: the materia step should honestly be the least stressful step.

Spiritbonding is incredibly easy and you could very quickly get all the tier 1, 2, and 3 materia you need in a day. The tier 4's can always be added in later if you find you have more money and want to. But it won't make or a break a weapon.

That's the thing though. Farming Tier IV materias are a real pain, so I ended up caving in and buying most of them. Novus (the materia part, not farming the alexandrite) is by the far part I hated the most of the relic quest.

[RichardButte]

No, it would do exactly just that.

There are already two weapons that are obtained through the highest level raid (Ironworks and Dreadwyrm) and you want to put a third weapon there? There's a reason that relic weapons don't require Final Coil.

Did you even READ my post?

If the relic weapon required you to run 24 mans, there wouldn't be an issue. The three 24s are to XIV what LFR is to WoW: easily puggable, and no where near "the highest level raids" (referring to CHALLENGE, not ilevel, of course).

It would still be perfectly accessible content for casuals, but it would at least be things we were going to do ANYWAY instead of sending us to relive the boredom of being a goddamn level 20 with less than half of your relevant skills all over again...

[Gilthas]

Sorry I misread it.

But that's the point, SE wants players to do other stuff, not stuff that they would do anyway.