The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[RichardButte]

That wouldn't solve anything, it would just turn relics into Ironworks/Dreadwyrm weapons.

It would do absolutely nothing of the sort, provided you only have to run 24 man raids.

MoP's legendary questline wound throughout the entire expansion, having a progressing storyline that was interesting, time-consuming and CHALLENGING, without resorting to making us go hang around level 20 areas for days at a time or run old, poorly-designed dungeons.

If Blizzard can make this work and not be utter shit, SE can do the same, right?

Some people enjoy the relic quest line. Not everything has to be liked by everybody.

I don't, and I'm making it known, and if you don't like threads like this, why do you keep bumping them?

[Gilthas]

It would do absolutely nothing of the sort, provided you only have to run 24 man raids.

MoP's legendary questline wound throughout the entire expansion, having a progressing storyline that was interesting, time-consuming and CHALLENGING, without resorting to making us go hang around level 20 areas for days at a time or run old, poorly-designed dungeons.

If Blizzard can make this work and not be utter shit, SE can do the same, right?

No, it would do exactly just that.

There are already two weapons that are obtained through the highest level raid (Ironworks and Dreadwyrm) and you want to put a third weapon there? There's a reason that relic weapons don't require Final Coil.

I will say this: the materia step should honestly be the least stressful step.

Spiritbonding is incredibly easy and you could very quickly get all the tier 1, 2, and 3 materia you need in a day. The tier 4's can always be added in later if you find you have more money and want to. But it won't make or a break a weapon.

That's the thing though. Farming Tier IV materias are a real pain, so I ended up caving in and buying most of them. Novus (the materia part, not farming the alexandrite) is by the far part I hated the most of the relic quest.

[RichardButte]

No, it would do exactly just that.

There are already two weapons that are obtained through the highest level raid (Ironworks and Dreadwyrm) and you want to put a third weapon there? There's a reason that relic weapons don't require Final Coil.

Did you even READ my post?

If the relic weapon required you to run 24 mans, there wouldn't be an issue. The three 24s are to XIV what LFR is to WoW: easily puggable, and no where near "the highest level raids" (referring to CHALLENGE, not ilevel, of course).

It would still be perfectly accessible content for casuals, but it would at least be things we were going to do ANYWAY instead of sending us to relive the boredom of being a goddamn level 20 with less than half of your relevant skills all over again...

[Gilthas]

Sorry I misread it.

But that's the point, SE wants players to do other stuff, not stuff that they would do anyway.

[Felis]

Did you even READ my post?

If the relic weapon required you to run 24 mans, there wouldn't be an issue. The three 24s are to XIV what LFR is to WoW: easily puggable, and no where near "the highest level raids" (referring to CHALLENGE, not ilevel, of course).

You have the option to farm the 2000 light points for Nexus with only doing CT, if you like it.

[Parodine]

That's the thing though. Farming Tier IV materias are a real pain, so I ended up caving in and buying most of them. Novus (the materia part, not farming the alexandrite) is by the far part I hated the most of the relic quest.

Why did you feel like you needed tier IV's at all, though? Because you don't unless you're a true min-maxer. And even if just filling it up without tier IVs, if you happen a long tier ivs more casually, you can always change the stats later on. That step is extremely flexible.

Making money isn't terribly hard for me, but even so, on my WHM one I had the ability to go for full Piety which thankfully was cheaper than anything else. But the Det IV's I bought and any that didn't make the fusion and broke I just put into crit. But even not buying any iv's at all, I don't think 7 determination would make a noticable cure difference practically.

[Warlyx]

i stoped after doing the books was waiting for the next step , but got hit with the grind of alexandrites and materias......NO WAY im going to grind days for materias or worse buy it off the MB, most overpriced thing ever, at least pets are cool and u justs need 1 and u keep it forever.

so bought the soldiery weapon and upgraded it , and after a while i got my high allagan , now im using the augmented ironwork weapon until i get the Fcob weapon (if it drops ) else i could careless , the expansion will bring new weapons :P

Good thing i keep my sanity this way , and my gil , was able to buy some pets , dye my nin af gear :3 and lots of things with the gil i saved instead of wasting it on relic ^_^

so u tell me after farming atmas ugh , u farm books that suuuucks (1$!$! FATES that take days to spawn!! , and low lvl dungeons that no1 cares about anymore) , ok u make it , now what? oh materias and alexandrites ? !$!$!$ IT , /ragequit .....ok u have 0 gil and are going crazy but finally made it..............now farm lights! , SE mastertroll

[RichardButte]

Again, folks, this isn't about "If you don't enjoy it, don't do it!"

It's about the fact that other MMOs have had nearly identical questlines/objectives that have been fun and challenging instead of bland and tedious.

I refuse to believe that Yoshi-P can do such a magnificent job with so much of the game and then be completely unable to cook up a decent relic weapon questline/progression system...

[Parodine]

I will say this: the materia step should honestly be the least stressful step.

Spiritbonding is incredibly easy and you could very quickly get all the tier 1, 2, and 3 materia you need in a day. The tier 4's can always be added in later if you find you have more money and want to. But it won't make or a break a weapon.

[RichardButte]

Sorry I misread it.

But that's the point, SE wants players to do other stuff, not stuff that they would do anyway.

I get that, but that's the thing: it's like if you were working to get your PHD in mathematics and your professor says one day, "Tonight, I'm going to assign you math homework fit for a 3rd grader!"

Forcing older players to reinforce the content for newer players (or players leveling new classes) is a good way to make older players hate you.

History has also shown it's not necessary: there's enough incentive for players to level new classes that you shouldn't need to send older players back into that content anyway.