Dear All Bards,

[Snugglebutt]

I get what you mean, but to be fair BRDs do have a healer limit break.....

Not for much longer though, it is being replaced.

[Darkstride]

Not for much longer though, it is being replaced.

Again, as I already said, I was just stating that there was intent for Bard to be support-oriented even as DPS. The fact that they even considered giving a DPS ckass a hwaling limit break shows the intent for support.

Even the lore states that their strength in battle is their ability to inspire their comrades. Bard's abilities are primarily support. I feel like people sticking to this "I'm a DPS" thing are just being stubborn. Yes, Bard is a DPS because roles are limited to only tank, heal and DPS. That doesn't mean that Bard's array of support abilities should be ignored because "I'm a DPS".

[Snugglebutt]

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Being needed or in this case not needed is relevant. If something is needed to clear that content almost all bards would play songs to clear it. If it is not needed, you are in no position to demand they play it just because you can't be bothered to spend a few more minutes across the entire raid period clearing it.

If it is easy content (which it is) then bards can choose to play or not play songs and if you do not like it then too bad, so sad but that's your problem not theirs. If it is hard content then almost all bards will play songs when needed to help clear it. I am betting your one of those people who forces everyone to skip cutscene's and pull every mob in dungeon runs even when others tell you in the group that they do not want to do such.

If your going to whine about playing songs then at least whine about playing when needed and not whenever the hell you feel like they should do it, especially when it is not required at all. If do not like that then make your own bard and play songs 24/7 when not required to your hearts content but if it is not needed then so what? Get over it. In statics for some EX trials maybe and coils then sure they need to play songs often but in WoD? No they don't.

Just do your job instead of worrying about them speeding up your clearance time. They unlike you might not be in such a rush and that is their right to take it easy on easy content. You do not get to dictate differently...not in easy content like Lab, ST or WoD. If a bard plays songs to speed up the run in such places that's fine, I do so myself but there is no reason to whine about bards who do not...not when in places like Lab, ST or WoD or even simple 4 man dungeons etc.

[TheWaywardWind]

snip.

And again, look back to my other post:
"By your logic, no single healer should cast protect or stoneskin because "it isn't needed." The only time where it is absolutely "needed" is end game raids like coil, so hey, why bother, right?

Buffs and debuffs, whether or not they are absolutely "Needed" are still there for a reason; they're there to make content easier.

Outwardly shrugging off making the encounter easier on everyone by speeding it up because you don't deem it "necessary" is ultimately poor game playing."

It's ironic and hypocritical you accuse be of not being able to be bothered to spend "a few extra minutes" when you can't be bothered to spend the extra four seconds to activate two abilities that will save us all that time.

[Accolade]

demand they play it just because you can't be bothered to spend a few more minutes across the entire raid period clearing it.

But you have the skill sitting there on your action bar... why wait a few minutes longer, if you just have to press a single skill ONCE every so often. It sounds like your the one "that cant be bothered" utilzing all skills at your disposal.

Edit: Bah waywardWind got inb4 me

[LLSmoothJ]

This wouldn't be an issue if they would just release a 2nd archer job that focuses solely on DPS (Ranger, maybe?). Like what they did for the Arcanist job. That way, those who don't like playing songs can switch to that class and be done with it.

Right now, like with Goad on Ninja, I only play songs when someone asks (Granted I usually just play in CT/ST/WoD these days). The only reason why I don't play Archer over Bard is because I'd be losing an AoE skill and my damage output would be even lower.

[Snugglebutt]

Again, as I already said, I was just stating that there was intent for Bard to be support-oriented even as DPS. The fact that they even considered giving a DPS ckass a hwaling limit break shows the intent for support.

Even the lore states that their strength in battle is their ability to inspire their comrades. Bard's abilities are primarily support. I feel like people sticking to this "I'm a DPS" thing are just being stubborn. Yes, Bard is a DPS because roles are limited to only tank, heal and DPS. That doesn't mean that Bard's array of support abilities should be ignored because "I'm a DPS".

I had this discussion before in another thread. It is a DPS 'class' with three support skills that come from the bard 'job'. It's primary role is a DPS, it's secondary role is support. It has 18 DPS skills and 3 support skills if exclude Swiftsong, it's primary stat is DEX which is used to increase it's damage and DPS. The support skills are not being ignored overall in the grand scheme of things, they are generally used when needed instead of when not needed, as far as I am concerned bards are perfectly okay to rely on their primary role instead of support when taking part in easy content.

My issue with this thread and the OP is his demand they play songs when not needed in easy places which do not require any songs to be played at all. If he feels so strongly about it maybe he should ditch his other classes and play bard 24/7 in which case he can play songs for all eternity for all I care...that would be his choice but he does not get to dictate other bards must play songs when they are neither required or needed. If they are needed however I might have a different view on the subject but whining about Foes and Battle Voice in Labyrinth and ST or WoD? Seriously?

Also funny how the one skill that is actually potentially more important aka MP regen in that place is not mentioned by the OP in this original post. Someone demanding they play songs when not required annoys me, if it is not needed then they can play or not play songs if they want...as simple as that. I find it a little insulting that someone is demanding all the bards play songs when they are not required just because he wants to save a few minutes on clearing times. On hard content I agree bards should play songs to help clear it but on easy content, leave them alone to DPS if they want.

[Accolade]

This wouldn't be an issue if they would just release a 2nd archer job that focuses solely on DPS (Ranger, maybe?).

I very much hope the Machinist will be the one to fill this role. An insta-cast mobile range dps, akin to a ranger. All the brds that dont like to use all their available skills can hop on that bandwagon.
Not enough info is around yet, its hard to say if Machinist is going to be similar to smn pets, or more like totems.

[Snugglebutt]

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If a buff is not needed then the person who casts it normally is under no obligation to do so. On hard content which it is needed then they should make use of all their skills required to complete the content, but you and Accolade do not get to dictate that everyone must play with every skill in perfect rotations and perfect timing for all content especially easy content like ones you mentioned in the OP. If they do not need to play perfectly or play the skills you want when you want it then you are in no position to demand they do...if they did need to do so they would do so but in this situation they do not so get over yourself and just worry about doing your job instead.

[Accolade]

Who said anything about a perfect rotation. Were talking about using your available skills to help the situation.

Also this made me laugh a lot:

if they did need to do so they would do so but in this situation they do not so