Dear All Bards,

[Viridiana]

As a bard, I tend to use my songs as a "oh shit, someone is almost out of resources" button over using foe. If the healer is < 50% mp, time to help out the healer. If I'm almost out of TP, I make the assumption that some of the other TP using classes are probably at least getting low, so it's time to use peon.

Having the magic classes deal more damage is great and all, but if I don't have the mana available to keep up the other two songs when needed, it's a larger problem. Healer runs out of mana? People are going to start dying. Classes run out of TP? Their dps plummets.

That's no excuse to not open with Foe. If your healer or melee are running out of resources within the 2 minutes or so it takes to completely MP drain and restore, then something is extremely wrong.

[Accolade]

People are using wod as an example, it also happens in all forms of endgame.

[Aerowaffle]

That's no excuse to not open with Foe. If your healer or melee are running out of resources within the 2 minutes or so it takes to completely MP drain and restore, then something is extremely wrong.

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

[Snugglebutt]

People are using wod as an example, it also happens in all forms of endgame.

If want to whine about bards not playing songs in coils, make a thread about that. This one clearly states at the start it is about playing in labyrinth, ST and WoD and was specific in mentioning only Foes and Battle Voice. All those places Foes is not required, ever...outside of clearing it slightly quicker. So you don't get to clear the entire place few minutes quicker...so? If you need songs you will get them, but this thread is whining about something not needed at all.

In coils it is 'needed' sometimes, trials too but in the examples given by the OP it is not. If thread was made about that (which was not) then would have a more valuable discussion but whining about Foes in WoD...really? Battle Voice is ESPECIALLY not needed in the places described by the OP, with MP regen there is more validity in bringing it up in places like labyrinth, ST or WoD (which ironically was not mentioned by the OP in the original comment) but even then only if have bad healers or really bad players which die constantly being a drain on the healers.

I actually play Foes, MP regen in WoD but I see zero reason to whine about those that do not, the place is not hard, Foes is certainly not needed and that is especially the case for Battle Voice, MP regen is very rarely needed.

If going to whine about something try to at least whine about something worthwhile. I have zero problems with other bards relaxing and taking it easy in there, why? Because it is easy and their songs are not required to clear it 99% of the time. If the groups are struggling to clear the content you can bet that bards will play the songs needed to clear it but when is not needed, don't whine about it.

[Viridiana]

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

Eh. . .honestly, if you can pop an ether, you can keep your healers afloat in most circumstances.

[Warlyx]

Doe Foe affect performance of other alliances in a 24 man raid? I know that it is a mob debuff - you can see the icon on the mob's status bar. However, I've NEVER seen that icon on a boss unless I've been the one singing Foe or I know another bard in my alliance has done it. The same thing would apply for DRG's Disembowel debuff.

u probably have the option to ONLY see your own debuffs , i use focus target to see what debuffs are applied.

But in WoD thats hard with looots of debuffs and focus windows only showing a few, so if i go bard , i usually start foe requiem+ battle voice.on the beggining after that meh...

I love that ppl use WoD as example , lol a brd dont singing is the least of your problems in WoD , is a trainwreck of ppl playing badly because they dont care or dont know any better.

[Mugiawara]

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

If your team is doing well for most part of the run, you could pop Foe's. Might as well, right?
You make a point though. The only ones that truly need MP is the WHM's though so...but
that's when either they're being silly or everythings going to hell lol.

I do like others, I pop Foe's and BV then see what happens later on and decide what I should sing.
Can't sing just for the fun of it sinces it takes my damage too. xD!

[Fantasy9]

I'm a new bard so I have some quick questions.

1. Does Paeons/Ballad stack? [IE. 2 bards using it.]
So far I've been switching back and forth with the other bard if they play.
2. Does FoE ONLY work on YOUR party? Or everyone in the raid? [IE. CT]

That said, I always sing when need be.
Also, use Battle voice, please.




Thank you!

Songs do stack if two bards are singing two different songs. But if two bards sing the same song they don't stack.

[Fluffya]

As a bard, my willingness to play foe in raids is egal to the tanks willingness to grab adds. Which is close to none.

[Elkya95]

It hurts a bit here to read bards saying they won't sing foe in wod... You lose nothing, but gain more dps for your casters, healers and ninjas, why wouldn't you? And please don't say ballad or paeon, if someone needs mp or tp before you get mp back, they deserve to be starved sorry. I can die as a whm and still be on res duty and be fine with no ballad.