Dear All Bards,

[Laughlyn]

Foe Requiem:
Reduces all enemy magic resistance by 10%....

Army's Paeon:
Refreshes TP of all nearby party members while lowering own damage dealt by 20%.

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Note how Foe Requiem does not lower you own damage during the effect compared to Army's Paeon.

I think it speaks for itself, and in wich situation this is most suited.
ST/ST & WoD Where each party bundles up a group of mobs for and all-around AoE DPS fest.
Any bard not picking this up within the few seconds should just stop playing.

Maximize the overall DPS of the alliance or you as an individual?
Its not very hard to do the math here of wich is most efficient.

[Moonrash]

whenever i go whm 3% of brds do sing sometimes they keep ballad up when its not needed.

Did WoD yesterday i went as brd kept my songs up foe / ballad whenever whm needed , other brd don't wanna sing most go with "why should i sing i got relic i shouldn't be wasting time singing its for noobs anyways" really wat?

I didn't knw owning a relic or shiva weapon is excuse to not sing ....

[Snugglebutt]

Who said anything about a perfect rotation. Were talking about using your available skills to help the situation.

It is exactly the same thing. Just like the OPs hypothetical situation put to me.

In all three cases it is doing something not needed to help speed up your run, that's all it is and perfect rotations is an extension of that very same stance. In the case of hard content putting in more effort and playing better is more important but in easy content like the OP listed it is not and people should not be forced by you to apply hardcore raid play styles to non-hardcore content as long as the content is being cleared. You do not get to dictate differently on easy non-hardcore content like such places mentioned by the OP outside of such things such as statics of PF parties.

As I said I play such songs but even I have the decency to understand I should not demand other bards play such songs when such songs are not required at all. They are not part of my static, we are not doing hardcore content and we are not in a PF using predetermined rules. If a bard wants to play songs during easy non-hardcore content in order to speed up the run that's fine, I do such myself...but it also fine if they do not provided it is not required to clear it. Get off your high horses and stop demanding others conform to your play rules when the content does not require they do so in any way whatsoever.

If it is easy content let others take is easier as long as the DPS>DPS's, the Healers>Heal, the Tank's>Tank if the content gets cleared then that is all that matters. On hard content where more effort is required...then and only then should you push them to be better so that as a group that content can be cleared. But on easy content? Sorry, but get over yourselves and just do your job instead of worrying about theirs especially when they are doing their job good enough to clear that easy content in the first place.

[Moomba33]

I make an effort to sing in LotA/ST/WoD but I prefer saving Battle Voice for Mage's Ballad when healers are low on MP than using it with Foe's.

[TheWaywardWind]

My issue with this thread and the OP is his demand they play songs when not needed in easy places which do not require any songs to be played at all.

You're contradicting yourself. First you say this...

Also funny how the one skill that is actually potentially more important aka MP regen in that place is not mentioned by the OP in this original post.

...and then you say this.

You're idolizing Mage's Ballad like it's the second coming. Mage's Ballad in, as you called it, "easy content" means that your healer has no idea what he's doing, at all. As someone who has run through WoD on almost every single class, never once have I encountered problems with managing my MP. You proclaim the content is easy and then say Mage's Ballad is entirely and truly vital? What?

This "I PLAY HOW I WANT, DEAL" attitude is poor. FFXIV is not solo-based content endgame. Your actions heavily affect the other 23 people playing around you during these raids. You cannot just idly sit back and ignore mechanics/lazily perform your job because you want glide on by in easy content.

If everyone played like that, no progress would be made in ANY of this content.

[Akuryu]

BLMs have Apocatastasis. Can we start calling them a support class? The next time I'm tanking a LotA I'm going to shout at / shame every BLM who isn't using it on me. DO YOUR JOBS!!! SUPPORT MEEEEE!

[myahele]

By the logic of some of these people healers should'nt have to dps. Since they're healers.

[Snugglebutt]

-snip-

Wow...you need to go back and read it again, I never once said it is vital or in any way whatsoever implied it was the second coming. Learn the difference between saying something is vital and my comment which said it is more important than Foes and Battle Voice in that place. It is not that important in that place at all, none of them are and in fact I said also that 99% of the time no songs are required at all in those places...what I said and how to correctly interpret it is 'it is more important than the ones you listed' but 'none of them are very important in those places'. That is both what I said and implied.

What on earth are you talking about regarding ignoring mechanics too now? Feel free to point out a single instance where I said anyone should ignore mechanics. In fact your position leads to the ignoring of mechanics ironically if DPS too fast. So if anything, that is your position not mine.

Do you also wish to demand they all play Swiftsong so can run faster between parts and by proxy speed up your run? Are you going to try and imply that is important now too? Should every class eat food and pop pots throughout to maximize their DPS and survivability in all easy group content like easy 4-man dungeons, fate parties, B or A rank hunt parties and other very easy group content too? Seriously...it's easy content, get over it.

As long as it is being cleared that is the only thing that matters and it is being cleared even without songs. If a bard wishes to play a song when not required that's fine but it is also fine if not required and they do not.

WoD is not hardcore content, it does not require hardcore ethos and play styles, as long as it is getting cleared that is the only thing that matters for ALL other people present. Any other concerns are secondary to that and are not important, you want to clear it faster? So what? Feel free to put in more effort yourself but you do not get to demand everyone else has to clear it faster whether through playing a song or perfecting their rotations which is the same ideology your invoking here in your stance. That of doing more to clear it faster.

If everyone played like that no progress would be made? What? The content is being cleared without people caving into your demands, clearly progress is being made despite the melodramatic tone of your reply so that has no baring on whether or not they play a DPS boosting song in content that does not require they do so in order to clear it and progress...Your comment and stance would have more gravitas if was talking about hardcore content like coils for example or some EX trials but has none in regards to Labyrinth, ST and WoD.

I am going to leave this discussion there because I have said all I needed to say despite your ignoring of the points I made and clearly making things up which was never said by me to further your agenda. If your just going to keep resorting to lying and making things up then your not worth my time here.

[Sessurea]

"I'm an archer"

True story.

[Accolade]

/popcorn thread