Dear All Bards,

[RathSkybreaker]

Doe Foe affect performance of other alliances in a 24 man raid? I know that it is a mob debuff - you can see the icon on the mob's status bar. However, I've NEVER seen that icon on a boss unless I've been the one singing Foe or I know another bard in my alliance has done it. The same thing would apply for DRG's Disembowel debuff.

No, it's on a party by party basis. And even then, who cares, it's the easiest content in the game.

[Snugglebutt]

No, it's on a party by party basis. And even then, who cares, it's the easiest content in the game.

Very true regarding how little it matters.

In the end despite what the OP tries to make out, in easy content like the crystal tower raid whether labyrinth, ST or WoD if bards want to play songs when not required then they should feel free to do play a song if they want. But if it is not required and they do not wish to do so, again that is fine also. Bards only need to play songs to clear content when cannot do so without playing them and the same goes for any class with their skill sets...outside of those situations it is up to them whether or not they wish to play them. No-one has the right to demand they do so when doing so is not required like with easy content such as Lab, ST or WoD.

That is equally as applicable to any dungeon, fate party or hunting party, in fact any activity where songs are not required to complete the task yet might be part of a group. It becomes completely up to the bard whether or not play them and they shouldn't let anyone else bully them into doing so in such situations against their will. In hardcore content like coils or EX trials playing songs becomes more important and there is some expectation worthy of listening to when is required to clear such content...but in easy content where it is not required, that is 100% up to the bard and no-one else whether want to play a song or not to speed up a run or kill something slightly faster.

The same applies to any class, as long as doing enough to clear the content you set out to clear, doing what is required to get the job done then everything outside of that is up to the them. If that person wants to go above and beyond what is required that is also up to them and no-one else. The OP has no right to demand otherwise, the only thing that matters is they do enough to clear the content but how fast they clear it is up to each individual player whether want to push for faster clear or slower clear as long as they are clearing it then it is fine either way.

[Noxifer]

No, it's on a party by party basis. And even then, who cares, it's the easiest content in the game.

...I'd really like to know how it stands now O.o Cos some of you have said "no, it's a debuff on the boss; it affects the boss, not the parties, therefore party A's blm will benefit from party C's bard's foe" and others (like you) say "no, it only affects party C's casters". Which is it? D:

(And if it is a debuff on the boss but only affects party C's caster if party C's bard is singing... then that means that ninja/warrior debuffs shouldn't matter for the MT, right? Which make about as much sense, really.)

[Elkya95]

...I'd really like to know how it stands now O.o Cos some of you have said "no, it's a debuff on the boss; it affects the boss, not the parties, therefore party A's blm will benefit from party C's bard's foe" and others (like you) say "no, it only affects party C's casters". Which is it? D:

(And if it is a debuff on the boss but only affects party C's caster if party C's bard is singing... then that means that ninja/warrior debuffs shouldn't matter for the MT, right? Which make about as much sense, really.)

Okay, I was at a dummy a while ago doing blm stuff, a bard comes and uses foe randomly which affects the dummy. My fires do indeed deal more damage, and no he's not found his way into my party.

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Best part is, you should use it before the pull so you don't lose a single second dps if you're a bard worth your salt...

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haha thanks c:

[Noxifer]

Okay, I was at a dummy a while ago doing blm stuff, a bard comes and uses foe randomly which affects the dummy. My fires do indeed deal more damage, and no he's not found his way into my party.

Thank you ^_^ Glad to see SE hasn't gone for the illogical route.

(Also, I adore your sig XD)

[RathSkybreaker]

...I'd really like to know how it stands now O.o Cos some of you have said "no, it's a debuff on the boss; it affects the boss, not the parties, therefore party A's blm will benefit from party C's bard's foe" and others (like you) say "no, it only affects party C's casters". Which is it? D:

(And if it is a debuff on the boss but only affects party C's caster if party C's bard is singing... then that means that ninja/warrior debuffs shouldn't matter for the MT, right? Which make about as much sense, really.)

I've looked at it quite a lot, foes only registers to your party on the boss, it's really weird, but that's just how it works. So pretty much for the entire raid to get it, each raid needs a bard casting foes. And if you don't believe me, go to a dummy and try it out yourself instead of waiting for people to just tell you what you want to hear. It's not a hard concept to test, at all.