Dear All Bards,

[TheWaywardWind]

My issue with this thread and the OP is his demand they play songs when not needed in easy places which do not require any songs to be played at all.

You're contradicting yourself. First you say this...

Also funny how the one skill that is actually potentially more important aka MP regen in that place is not mentioned by the OP in this original post.

...and then you say this.

You're idolizing Mage's Ballad like it's the second coming. Mage's Ballad in, as you called it, "easy content" means that your healer has no idea what he's doing, at all. As someone who has run through WoD on almost every single class, never once have I encountered problems with managing my MP. You proclaim the content is easy and then say Mage's Ballad is entirely and truly vital? What?

This "I PLAY HOW I WANT, DEAL" attitude is poor. FFXIV is not solo-based content endgame. Your actions heavily affect the other 23 people playing around you during these raids. You cannot just idly sit back and ignore mechanics/lazily perform your job because you want glide on by in easy content.

If everyone played like that, no progress would be made in ANY of this content.

[Snugglebutt]

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Wow...you need to go back and read it again, I never once said it is vital or in any way whatsoever implied it was the second coming. Learn the difference between saying something is vital and my comment which said it is more important than Foes and Battle Voice in that place. It is not that important in that place at all, none of them are and in fact I said also that 99% of the time no songs are required at all in those places...what I said and how to correctly interpret it is 'it is more important than the ones you listed' but 'none of them are very important in those places'. That is both what I said and implied.

What on earth are you talking about regarding ignoring mechanics too now? Feel free to point out a single instance where I said anyone should ignore mechanics. In fact your position leads to the ignoring of mechanics ironically if DPS too fast. So if anything, that is your position not mine.

Do you also wish to demand they all play Swiftsong so can run faster between parts and by proxy speed up your run? Are you going to try and imply that is important now too? Should every class eat food and pop pots throughout to maximize their DPS and survivability in all easy group content like easy 4-man dungeons, fate parties, B or A rank hunt parties and other very easy group content too? Seriously...it's easy content, get over it.

As long as it is being cleared that is the only thing that matters and it is being cleared even without songs. If a bard wishes to play a song when not required that's fine but it is also fine if not required and they do not.

WoD is not hardcore content, it does not require hardcore ethos and play styles, as long as it is getting cleared that is the only thing that matters for ALL other people present. Any other concerns are secondary to that and are not important, you want to clear it faster? So what? Feel free to put in more effort yourself but you do not get to demand everyone else has to clear it faster whether through playing a song or perfecting their rotations which is the same ideology your invoking here in your stance. That of doing more to clear it faster.

If everyone played like that no progress would be made? What? The content is being cleared without people caving into your demands, clearly progress is being made despite the melodramatic tone of your reply so that has no baring on whether or not they play a DPS boosting song in content that does not require they do so in order to clear it and progress...Your comment and stance would have more gravitas if was talking about hardcore content like coils for example or some EX trials but has none in regards to Labyrinth, ST and WoD.

I am going to leave this discussion there because I have said all I needed to say despite your ignoring of the points I made and clearly making things up which was never said by me to further your agenda. If your just going to keep resorting to lying and making things up then your not worth my time here.

[TheWaywardWind]

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You're leaving because nothing you has said thus far makes any sense. You forward the same attitude and opinions based on allowing people to play as they like when this can't be the case late game.

If we followed your attitude of just properly letting people play as they like, mechanics would be ignored. Do you know how many times I've wandered into all sorts of content and have seen people outwardly ignore mechanics because we should let them "play as they want"? That crap doesn't cut it in FFXIV. Any one person's actions have far too much of an impact on the other seven people to allow for the entire community to have the "just do what you want, man!" attitude. It doesn't work and it can't work.

Pumping out more DPS doesn't mean this but allowing people to do whatever can sure as sugar mean that they're not going to try or they're going to ignore mechanics. Even IN WoD and other Crystal Tower raids, believe it or not, you still have to listen to mechanics. You can't play as you want. I don't care if you want to finish a combo or try to kite as many adds as possible during Scylla, if you don't get on those pads for Daybreak, you can almost certainly wipe us.

Furthermore, it is stated within the Bard's storyline quests that the role of a bard was to inspire his allies and aid them in victory.

Remember what happened to Jehantel when he tried to play the role of the hero and top DPS? All of his friends are killed. He tells you, again and again, as does the Archer guild master that bards aren't mean to be front of the line DPS. I'm all for having fun but not when it comes at the expense of seven or 23 other people being able to perform well. That's just being lazy, plain and simple.

[TheWaywardWind]

I am going to leave this discussion there because I have said all I needed to say despite your ignoring of the points I made and clearly making things up which was never said by me to further your agenda. If your just going to keep resorting to lying and making things up then your not worth my time here.

Just reposting this, since it seems your good-bye wasn't really a good-bye at all.