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    Quote Originally Posted by Symon17 View Post
    Snip.
    I'm glad you see what I'm coming from. Is a bit like people clearing T13 and they feel like they are above some other players (no everyone of course) they won't open up their static to help others because they want to feel being on advantage ( having a static is a big bonus because without it they will be stuck like ANYONE ELSE in this game.) is a bit like this polite suggestion about adding a bit of an extra drop on Alex from fates. Does not cause any harm to anyone but a help to those who wanna get to their zodiak too knowing that a lot of people got one. what I don't get why people get so crossed about a simple suggestion. Increasing the drop won't kill or harm anyone.just a request not only for me but for everyone wanting to get their zodiak before expansion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    I'm glad you see what I'm coming from. Is a bit like people clearing T13 and they feel like they are above some other players (no everyone of course) they won't open up their static to help others because they want to feel being on advantage ( having a static is a big bonus because without it they will be stuck like ANYONE ELSE in this game.)
    Eh? Why would anyone open up their static to people that are behind on the content?

    Is jumping into learning/clear parties not good enough or something? ._.

    is a bit like this polite suggestion about adding a bit of an extra drop on Alex from fates. Does not cause any harm to anyone but a help to those who wanna get to their zodiak too knowing that a lot of people got one. what I don't get why people get so crossed about a simple suggestion. Increasing the drop won't kill or harm anyone.just a request not only for me but for everyone wanting to get their zodiak before expansion
    That's just it, though. The drop rate's already been increased and some people are asking for a further increase for reasons like "because I/we don't have as much time to play as others". SE can no more balance content for the super-casual than they can for the super-hardcore. The content is balanced toward the average player, so some will always complete it faster or slower than others. They do keep track of things like how many of each stage of relic there are in the game, and most likely how fast they're completed as well; these numbers are used in whatever adjustments they make. The relic quest has been nerfed a lot since each stage was released.

    As far as people complaining about the materia cost, I suggest either splitting the stats 3 ways to minimize the use of tier IV materia or spiritbonding for it yourself. If you make a set of astral/gryphonskin accessories and throw 2 trash materia on each piece, it spiritbonds in 5 runs through T4 which is 30 minutes tops. They seem to give tier IV materia around 50-60% of the time; whatever materia you get that you don't need you can sell.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 02-09-2015 at 05:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    what I don't get why people get so crossed about a simple suggestion. Increasing the drop won't kill or harm anyone.just a request not only for me but for everyone wanting to get their zodiak before expansion
    The thing is, we just got a "nerf" to that step. Begging for even more this soon after the last nerf is what is irksome...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    I'm glad you see what I'm coming from. Is a bit like people clearing T13 and they feel like they are above some other players (no everyone of course) they won't open up their static to help others because they want to feel being on advantage ( having a static is a big bonus because without it they will be stuck like ANYONE ELSE in this game.) is a bit like this polite suggestion about adding a bit of an extra drop on Alex from fates.
    Wouldn't it be called a dynamic instead of a static if they kept bringing in new players? And of course they're going to feel that they're above other players, clearing T10 separates you from all the welfare hunters getting logs to gear their bards into skill speed augmented ironworks or something equally horrifying. Also they buffed Alex from FATEs and you got nexus lights buffed, go slap on some SB gear, hit up fates in your weapon and get alex+materia needed for it instead of begging for more nerfs and welfare things like the entitled player you are.
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    Shouldn't it be called an 8-player online RPG if all the content is only done with a group of 7 friends? Of course raiders are going to feel superior to other players, they never interact with PuG play and thus don't understand how to maintain a respectful social dynamic within it. Hunting gear separates you from all the Coil xenophobes who can't handle seeing large groups of other human beings at once so they hole up in instanced content wiping 4-5 times a day 'learning' T12 or something equally horrifying. Also they made the secondary stat itemization on Dreadwyrm gear generally better and always required for BiS, made sure the best weapons in the game are hard-locked behind the latest Coil instance, and even made Coil gear superior to any other type of equipment you can get in the game at the start of every item level cap increase, when previously all Allagan gear had the same item level as 2.0 Mythology gear. So go worf down your HQ food and wipe to T13 some more instead of screaming at casual players asking for content that raiders themselves called casual to be more accessible and using thinly-veiled slang that makes it clear you hate the poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melriss View Post
    clearing T10 separates you from all the welfare hunters getting logs to gear their bards into skill speed augmented ironworks or something equally horrifying.
    As much as I disagree with the OP (and with the poster you're replying to), this is a horrible attitude to have about people that currently can't or don't want to enter FCoB. Seriously, do we need to get this nasty about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    Hunting gear separates you from all the Coil xenophobes who can't handle seeing large groups of other human beings at once so they hole up in instanced content wiping 4-5 times a day 'learning' T12 or something equally horrifying.
    I'm really not sure if you're being facetious in your response by mimicking the last poster or if you're genuinely being just as obnoxious as they are. There's just so much generalization on both sides of this, seriously. Many raiders are happy to go back and help people clear previous content or even current content. As far as stat distribution, some of the Ironworks gear is actually BiS; SE seems to like encouraging a mix of the tome gear and the raid gear.

    Man, I really don't see why this discussion took such an unpleasant turn in the last few posts. :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    As much as I disagree with the OP (and with the poster you're replying to), this is a horrible attitude to have about people that currently...
    I apologies, I put it in the worst way. When I say "welfare hunters" I mean the people who collect all their gear from hunts and use the mentality of having ilvl 125 or whatever as a measurement of their skill. I have issues with "HEH, I GOT ILVL 130 FROM HUNTS... I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE NOW!" which hunting seems to breed. People who hunt for fun or because they can't/won't do FCOB and know that it isn't a measurement of skill are absolutely fine.

    Another issue I have is the horrid entitlement people seem to have, I'm not against having content nerfed due to a lack of playerbase getting involved in it or it being outdated; but people like the OP and the screeching, entitled little goblin that posted below my previous post are what we should be worried about. These are the type of people that would tear whole groups/communities of people apart because they can't get what they want (such as nerfing coils, giving everyone the best gear with little effort, making relic max reward with little investment). It's funny because I know I'm better than those people - I'd rather claw my way to something or work in a group than have these paranoid little fits on a forum over it. And if people don't want to do relic, coil, crafting, leveling other classes etc. because they choose not to, then no one should look down on them. It's their choice. It's a whole different story when a crying manchild demands that you rip apart the accomplishments of others so everyone can be a "winner" is just saddening.

    On topic, I think Alex nerf is fine, it was horrible to get beforehand due to soldiery/daily and the % of FATE rewards. It should not be 75 days of roulette, but it shouldn't be 5 hours of FATEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I'm really not sure if you're being facetious in your response by mimicking the last poster or if you're genuinely being just as obnoxious as they are.
    Facetious absurdism.

    I genuinely despite the phrase 'welfare gear' as a derogative, though. Especially for relics, which require a tremendous amount of work and gil to put together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    Facetious absurdism.

    I genuinely despite the phrase 'welfare gear' as a derogative, though. Especially for relics, which require a tremendous amount of work and gil to put together.
    That's good to know. I wasn't sure, like I said. :3

    I really detest the "welfare gear" term myself. :|
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