Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Wintersandman]

DoT jobs are different than direct damage jobs because they don't do damage up front. DoT jobs need to have the highest sustained damage in order to be balanced around end game content otherwise it ends up being in a situation like Summoner where there is a mass exodus from the job at endgame.

I still see summoners running around. It isn't the mass exodus that you claim. Honestly posts like these just make the community more toxic towards the class. I was in Odin and a Monk was like "SMN you better try hard. Blame SE for screwing up your class." I was getting parse'd by an FC mate and I was not the lowest DPS on the totem pole. I didn't do as much but I was also right at the cap for Odin.

[ShinryuReishiki]

SMN isn't extinct, but there has been a significant population shift. I imagine a fair number of those who switched to BLM for Final Coil may have just been BLM who switched to SMN for Second Coil changing back, though.

I just recently started this today. If you want to add yours on the chart, I would really encourage it. I definitely wanna know how other SMN's are doing in different servers. Please email me; I have my email in that spreadsheet.

It might be good to ask for submissions on reddit or something, probably won't get much traffic from here... I feel kinda weird being the only person not from Gilgamesh on there >_>

[Shizuna]

It might be good to ask for submissions on reddit or something, probably won't get much traffic from here... I feel kinda weird being the only person not from Gilgamesh on there >_>

I guess. I'm not too fond of reddit, but I do post once in a while. I got a couple of submissions though, mostly for t13.

[Akiza]

I still see summoners running around. It isn't the mass exodus that you claim. Honestly posts like these just make the community more toxic towards the class. I was in Odin and a Monk was like "SMN you better try hard. Blame SE for screwing up your class." I was getting parse'd by an FC mate and I was not the lowest DPS on the totem pole. I didn't do as much but I was also right at the cap for Odin.

That's because the Monk knows that Summoner's do low DPS and is the hardest class to maintain damage on. The problem with Summoner is all content is designed around Bursts DPS and since Summoner is DoT it's a built in game play nerf. SE wants to make content harder and more intense so future content will revolve around Burstier DPS making the Summoner useless. Summoner needs more bursts to be competitive in content so SE should reduce the cool down on Enkindle to 30s.

[mvenom]

That's because the Monk knows that Summoner's do low DPS and is the hardest class to maintain damage on.

Imo SMN is easiest class to maintain dps but then again I've been one since launch so it just depends how experienced you are. Even if you have to do mechanics, dots+pet is still hitting the boss. I'd say monk is much harder just because of those silly GL3 stacks.

[Akiza]

Imo SMN is easiest class to maintain dps but then again I've been one since launch so it just depends how experienced you are. Even if you have to do mechanics, dots+pet is still hitting the boss. I'd say monk is much harder just because of those silly GL3 stacks.

Are u kidding the Summoner is the hardest class to maintain after 4 min their DPS drops sharply because of the mechanic and limitation of the class. It doesn't matter that during mechanics that DoTs+Pet is still hitting the boss because Summoner's damage is dropping over time. Summoner's have to deal with the same boss mechanics that Monks deal with because they have to fight in melee range to maximize the DPS of the class but some how Summoners still end up with DPS being equal to or lower than the Bard.

[mvenom]

Are u kidding the Summoner is the hardest class to maintain after 4 min their DPS drops sharply because of the mechanic and limitation of the class. It doesn't matter that during mechanics that DoTs+Pet is still hitting the boss because Summoner's damage is dropping over time. Summoner's have to deal with the same boss mechanics that Monks deal with because they have to fight in melee range to maximize the DPS of the class but some how Summoners still end up with DPS being equal to or lower than the Bard.

That's got nothing to do with maintaining dps. Some classes has better burst, but it doesnt mean they should never drop on dps from start to 4minute mark. I doubt many monks hit that high on their burst but they have more sustained dps, while SMN, if played correctly has really big burst.

None of the bards are whining how they do +700 on burst and fall down to 400-500 in the end.

Also point wasnt that, if Monk has to do earthshaker in T13, theres nothing he can do while in ranged. Cover helps but thats not up every time and those strats with running back and forth are a bit riskier when theres 6 ES pools.

[Minorinz]

can they please fix the pet issue on shiva <_<
i'm tired of having my pet eat stacks and die eventually both scholar pets and summoner. Does anyone know how to avoid those stacks on pet?
Also the food issue with pets, why can't pets get buffed by food? it's really silly how everything is faulty now that the itemization is garbage.

[ViviAnimus]

That's got nothing to do with maintaining dps. Some classes has better burst, but it doesnt mean they should never drop on dps from start to 4minute mark. I doubt many monks hit that high on their burst but they have more sustained dps, while SMN, if played correctly has really big burst.

None of the bards are whining how they do +700 on burst and fall down to 400-500 in the end.

Also point wasnt that, if Monk has to do earthshaker in T13, theres nothing he can do while in ranged. Cover helps but thats not up every time and those strats with running back and forth are a bit riskier when theres 6 ES pools.

Gee, a lot of BRDS doing 400-500 DPS and not crying, I wonder why. Maybe it has something to do that BRD are almost imperative for Paoen alone and is an amzing support class. I think that might have something to do with it. If you're going to make stupid illogical comparisons, you might as well stop. What Akiza says is true. The initial burst is high on Summoner but usually, after the 4-5 minute mark is drops, and it drops to a pretty low feet in comparison to other DPS but BRD. I don't know why this is an argument anymore. It's crystal clear now that Summoner gets outdamaged by every DPS class but BRD (with good reason), does not bring any real useful utility and therefore it needs to be receiving fixes. I don't know why this threat is going on and on.

[Sleigh]

can they please fix the pet issue on shiva <_<
i'm tired of having my pet eat stacks and die eventually both scholar pets and summoner. Does anyone know how to avoid those stacks on pet?
Also the food issue with pets, why can't pets get buffed by food? it's really silly how everything is faulty now that the itemization is garbage.

Either move your pet to the center with you, or just Sustain it. You have to move it for the arrow mega-attack or it will die. It's definitely a hassle but SMN can do really well in Shiva; unfortunately, like all fights, BLM smokes it, making all the pet microing and manipulating Shadow Flare to have good upkeep feel pretty pointless on a personal level.