Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

I test again 7 min 9 sec ifrit did 176 dps caster 341 dps. 517 overall dps. I can save lot mana with very minimal dps loss and I have more mana in party. If i can do max potential dps with auto attack and with spamming ruin2 that not mean i should do it in that way and i did not even do that in my 3 min test.

Please watch the video I posted and tell me where I am going wrong. I am almost on 450 DPS with a basically perfect parse and I was OoM after three minutes.

[scarebearz]

To be honest, I think most Black Mages that were annoyed that movement was/is hard for them are just terrible at managing their procs during movement and the buffs they got made them extremely strong during both single target and AoE scenarios. It's funny how people can be be biased in the name of balance.

Actually I'm fine with high movement fights, BLM is about where it should be now, lower than melee on most of coil (when equally geared/skilled ofc) and higher than Bard.

The skill curve for doing Decent DPS on BLM is still as high as it was in movement heavy fights, there are loads of i120+ BLM that produce hardly any damage, due to failing to move and DPS.

I do agree summoner needs bringing up to be able on par with BLM in FCoB (any better than BLM and again we'd have little use for BLM in the Caster in top tier raid spots).

However I don't think the buff needs to be as dramatic as many are making it out to be, nor do I think BLM need to be nerfed as many here seem to be gunning for. SMN being the weaker Caster does not automatically make BLM over-powered.

[ViviAnimus]

I am a great supporter of making it so that Summoner has higher sustained ST than BLM and BLM has higher AoE. Leave the utility as it is but delete Raise from SMN. I would love this because it would mean that I can go Summoner or BLM in any given fight end game. Because as it is right now, there simply is no reason to bring a Summoner and that is what greatly annoys me. I used to be a Summoner, and I enjoyed it much more than BLM. Unfortunately, I am more of a pragmatic raider rather than someone who plays the class they love the most.

BLM is my no means overpowered, it is where it should be.

[Minorinz]

Delete raise? doesn't make sense honestly, I think res is important for summoners and gives them some utility dependency, actually, res should be enhanced than that of a sch or a whm to make it worth the mana. What people don't seem to understand is that the current gear is a HUGE downgrade to summoner, it's not minor at all. Determination is crazy good. Back in SCoB the i110 gear was too op for smn and mechanics were pretty alright for both blms and smns, if we were to go back in time and have terrible stats on i110 gear in scob for smn i'm pretty sure so many people would've stayed on blm even back then. Unfortuntely blms got buffed anyway and now with the terrible gear set and blms having potency increase, smn is getting harder to play just to get in the dps race with other jobs, reaching smn's maximum potential feels good but it's worthless since blms can do more dps with half the effort that is being put on a smn... I'm not saying blm is easy but it's definitely easier than smn so even with mana adjustments smn isn't gaining much other than more foes for a few seconds? Even WoD gear being BiS when it's i120 is pathetic when blm has their i130 BiS handed to them.. so depressing q_q

[ViviAnimus]

Res is not important at all in end game content at least. It can be nice in a dungeon, but that's it. It's just another "utility" skill someone else possesses. If they make the game increasingly punishing or the same as it is in terms of punishment, that Raise on a Summoner is just not needed. With the rest I agree. Summoners have it quite bad when it comes to stat costumization. It absolutely disgusts me that the High Allagan book and Dreadwyrm book both have a considerate amount of spell speed.
However, even with stat optimization, the BLM would still have an edge over SMN when it comes to ST damage, even more so when the BLM receives the Spell speed buff from Selene. That's why there is no real need to bring a Summoner, because BLM has so much more potentional in end game raiding groups. I really don't see why there is still this huge argument. Why should BLM both have better ST and AoE? Why does BLM have a pet that buffs only their potency but is an annoyance to Summoner?

[Minorinz]

That is not true, check the t13 world first clear, they had a couple of deaths and got res'd, the healer pop'd a mana potion for that too. For progression, res is quite useful, it's just not recommended because of the limitation smn has on mana consumption but it greatly enhances the progression sequence. However on hardcore farming, I agree res is completely worthless..

[Viridiana]

That is not true, check the t13 world first clear, they had a couple of deaths and got res'd, the healer pop'd a mana potion for that too. For progression, res is quite useful, it's just not recommended because of the limitation smn has on mana consumption but it greatly enhances the progression sequence. However on hardcore farming, I agree res is completely worthless..

And if they had had a SMN there using their raise, they would not have gotten the clear. So it's useless for hardcore progression and hardcore farming both.

[Minorinz]

And if they had had a SMN there using their raise, they would not have gotten the clear. So it's useless for hardcore progression and hardcore farming both.

Well that's not quite true either, after divebomb phase mana is regenerated by a decent much. Also, I would say this because I have res'd our healer/dps at one point and we did clear it, this actually happened multiple times, the recovery was very much possible. If that sch/whm didn't have swiftcast ready they would've been screwed anyway.

[Akiza]

That is not true, check the t13 world first clear, they had a couple of deaths and got res'd, the healer pop'd a mana potion for that too. For progression, res is quite useful, it's just not recommended because of the limitation smn has on mana consumption but it greatly enhances the progression sequence. However on hardcore farming, I agree res is completely worthless..

If a healer is low on mana the Bard will play mana song because it helps the raid if a Summoner runs out of mana from using battle Rez than s/he is screwed.

[Sunako]

Please watch the video I posted and tell me where I am going wrong. I am almost on 450 DPS with a basically perfect parse and I was OoM after three minutes.

You did few minor mistakes like you are not using Shockwave and Aerial Slash at all, You did rs with only 1 aetherflow stack, few off gcd can be used more wisely and your gear is probably not optimal if BLM is your main. You should try use ifrit since it is lot better for single target dps. Miasma 2 is not worth using if there is any chance you need energy drain later even with contagion.