Ironworks Fishing Rod

[liev]

Miner and botanists have higher gathering and perception requirements for their nodes, and this is reflected with their requirements to have an offhand tool (currently they need 450/450, whilst fisher needs 403/320........403 gathering for Nepto, 320 perception for HQ mahar for the shinisauriousythingymabob). You are just flat out wrong with this comparison.

Miner and Botanist do not need the Forager's Offhand tools to meet the 450/450 requirement. This point is moot.

Miner, Botanist, and Fisher all got Forager's Body, Hands, Legs, and Feet in 2.4. All jobs are equal so far.
ONLY Miner and Botanist got ANOTHER Forager's upgrade...the offhand tools. How do you give Fisher a new offhand tool? You give them a new rod. Again. The source and item level is irrelevant.

Edit 2/06
The crossed out argument is a red herring and not relevant to the argument presented in the OP.

That Fisher had to actually work, and work hard, for the new rod is just a testament to the fact that the rod should've at least had a unique appearance if its use was going to be limited to a single major patch. Supra lasted two patches and was necessary to progress to the Lucis. Ironworks, again, much harder to get than Lucis, is just left floating useless for any purpose other than "retainers!"

This remains true whether you agree with the offhand tools and Ironworks being comparable or not.

Personally I am grateful for my Ironworks, equipped on my FSH retainer doing ventures. And the second Ironworks I gave to my other FSH retainer. Saves me a lot of trouble melding to meet the gathering caps on ventures.

Couldn't agree with this more. And lots of others seem to agree with this sentiment as well .

Considering how difficult and time consuming the rod is to get, having its usefulness reduced to merely extra rods for retainers after a single major patch is pathetic.

As for making the gearing up in an MMO easier, this MMO has already done it, multiple times in the past. This is not new at all. Myth, when it first came out was capped at 300. By just increasing this cap, gearing became easier. Putting coil into DF has made gearing easier. However, as stated many many many times by more than one person, the ironworks is an ACHIEVEMENT reward, and is outwith the normal gear cycle.

All of those things happened at least 2 major patches later. Not only this, but none of those things rendered anything completely obsolete. Incomparable. Old armor has historically been rendered incomplete only every second major patch. Never after just one.

Now, because it is an ACHIEVEMENT reward requiring you to actually work hard for it, which is not unknown to anyone that has responded thus far:

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is just a testament to the fact that the rod should've at least had a unique appearance if its use was going to be limited to a single major patch. Supra lasted two patches and was necessary to progress to the Lucis. Ironworks, again, much harder to get than Lucis, is just left floating useless for any purpose other than "retainers!"

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Considering how difficult and time consuming (the ACHIEVEMENT for) the rod is to get, having its usefulness reduced to merely extra rods for retainers after a single major patch is pathetic.

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Either:
A) The Ironworks Rod should be made better than or at least on par with the Lucis. It's much harder & more time consuming to obtain, so the stats should reflect this. (Preferred)

B) The appearance of the Ironworks Rod should be altered so that it is at least worthwhile as a glamour item. It's very plain and boring. There's nothing special about it.

C) Both!? I can hope!

[DarkmoonVael]

Miner and Botanist do not need the Forager's Offhand tools to meet the 450/450 requirement. This point is moot.

Miner, Botanist, and Fisher all got Forager's Body, Hands, Legs, and Feet in 2.4. All jobs are equal so far.
ONLY Miner and Botanist got ANOTHER Forager's upgrade...the offhand tools. How do you give Fisher a new offhand tool? You give them a new rod. Again. The source and item level is irrelevant.


This remains true whether you agree with the offhand tools and Ironworks being comparable or not.







All of those things happened at least 2 major patches later. Not only this, but none of those things rendered anything completely obsolete. Incomparable. Old armor has historically been rendered incomplete only every second major patch. Never after just one.

Now, because it is an ACHIEVEMENT reward requiring you to actually work hard for it, which is not unknown to anyone that has responded thus far:

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Actually with the lucis coming after the foragers gear, its the lucis that is not needed to gather the new nodes for miner and botanist. Many people were geared enough without the lucis. It is still not the case, no matter how much you shout and highlight things in bright red, that the ironworks is the equivalent of the foragers offhand tools.

Please check the previous discussion, i have never said that the ironworks was not had work. Never. What i have argued is that the lucis going through all the stages when they were currently released was also time consuming. Again, shouting and highlighting things in red does not help the cause of your arguments here what-so-ever. The arguments put forward from you is that the lucis rod is not hard work to get. The argument put forward by myself is that 2-4 ironworks rod are easier to get for your retainers than 2-4 lucis rods. Please re-read the previous posts. Is also comes about with your refusal to acknowledge that the ironworks rod is still useful, which it is, even with the lucis in the game. Others have pointed out this as well, that they still have used for their ironworks fishing rod.

Here is a link, please look at the section that gradiated the difficulty of ALL the big fish in the game and what is needed to catch them. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-is-it-%29%29
Please note, at no time is anything higher than the supra rod needed to catch the big fish in this game. Following your logic of the miners and botanist tools, then your entire argument is, in your own words, moot. The ironworks rod was never ever ever needed to catch any of the fish in this game.

Would you like the foragers fishing rod to be upgraded as well? That took time and effort (most people reporting 30+ hours) and was made obsolete as soon as the supra was released. It too should be upgraded to the highest level possible in an arbitrary manner since that hard work has just been undone.

Lets now take the example of other achievement items in the game. The Master series of rings, obtained as an achievement reward like the ironworks fishing rod, were introduced in patch 2.16. At this time i90 rings were exceptionally easy to obtain. But these rings are only i55, and they dont look good either. Shall we start a petition to have these arbitrarily boosted ilvl to match an ilvl of our liking? Also they are not good for glamour, so i want them overhauled, using devs time and resources, so they look as good as my liking.

The ironworks rod is an achievement reward, was never needed to catch any of the fish in the game, and the majority of fishers i know were happy to have got it. Some fishers even still use it since neither the lucis nor the ironworks is need to catch any of the fish in this game.

Maybe you can use your ironworks rod and glamour the lucis tool to it? This way you get to show off that you have the ironworks rod to anyone who examins you avatar whilst fishing and you get to have it look good and dye it. This may be a good solution to your problems.