Ironworks Fishing Rod

[liev]

@ retainers....again....

because ironworks rod was totally made with retainers in mind and every fisher has fisher retainers"

Catching 33 easy fish for an extra Lucis is totally worse than catching an additional 104 harder fish (you already caught sovereign and olgoi) to get an Ironworks Rod to dupe in the first place.

33x3 = 99 which is still less than 104? That's three Lucis rods for less fish than Ironworks.

The fact remains that you still have to catch 104 more fish to get the Ironworks Rod in the first place. And unless you're getting rods for four retainers, Lucis is less work and better in terms of stats anyway.

MMOs work through progression. You get the current best thing, and then you use that current best thing to work toward the new best thing.
Now, considering that you can catch everything you need to get a Lucis with a Forager's Rod and melded AF, Ironworks becomes the ultimate waste of time. It's not a glamour item (see: Luminary). And even if you want to stick to your "but retainers!" argument, that's pretty pathetic for the effort required.

[Duuude007]

This thread still going on?

Lucis made it much much easier to get Ironworks for my retainers. I have no complaints, and am amazed that you continue to.

It took less than 3 weeks to earn Ironworks (and 100% fishing log) now. And this is me playing casually. I had fewer than 5 Greens before I got Lucis.

Difficult stuff will be made easier as the game progresses. This is the nature of an MMO. Get over yourself already.

[liev]

This thread still going on?

Lucis made it much much easier to get Ironworks for my retainers. I have no complaints, and am amazed that you continue to.

It took less than 3 weeks to earn Ironworks (and 100% fishing log) now. And this is me playing casually. I had fewer than 5 Greens before I got Lucis.

Difficult stuff will be made easier as the game progresses. This is the nature of an MMO. Get over yourself already.

It's obvious that you did not even read the OP because this is not about Lucis making it easier to get Ironworks.

[Duuude007]

It's obvious that you did not even read the OP because this is not about Lucis making it easier to get Ironworks.

I read the OP, and yes, my point is still relevant. Just like they eased the droprate of atmas for relics, they eased the difficulty to earn legendaries faster and without a need of food or FC buff, given the appropriate gear. With the side bonus of a powerful rod which can be duplicated.

A small group of people complained that atma droprate was made too easy at this stage in the game. Crafters likewize have complained that the ease of earning Fieldcraft III and Mastercraft Demimateria has made earning artisan gear too easy. You have a similar beef with the inevitable, similar handout made for fishers.

Yes, inevitable. Get over yourself.

[liev]

I read the OP, and yes, my point is still relevant. Just like they eased the droprate of atmas for relics, they eased the difficulty to earn legendaries faster and without a need of food or FC buff, given the appropriate gear. With the side bonus of a powerful rod which can be duplicated.

A small group of people complained that atma droprate was made too easy at this stage in the game. Crafters likewize have complained that the ease of earning Fieldcraft III and Mastercraft Demimateria has made earning artisan gear too easy. You have a similar beef with the inevitable, similar handout made for fishers.

Yes, inevitable. Get over yourself.

lol did you really tho? i'm not even sure you read the quote before you responded to it

this is not about Lucis making it easier to get Ironworks

This is not about Lucis making it easier to get Ironworks.
This is not about Lucis making fishing easier.
This is about Ironworks, a very difficult achievement item, no longer having any relevant use, to include glamour.

Do I need to edit the post at the top of this page?

The Ironworks Rod should be altered in some way to restore prestige.
Ironworks Rod should be better made better than Halcyon Rod Lucis. OR The Ironworks Rod should be given a unique, stand-out appearance.
"Get over yourself."
∴ OP is wrong.

yeah no, great argument

Even your examples are poor. Increased atma drop rates and increased demimateria availability did not render anything obsolete.

Why don't you get over yourself?

[Duuude007]

This is about Ironworks, a very difficult achievement item, no longer having any relevant use, to include glamour.

Very? No, not at all, really. At least not anymore, which is MY point in past posts- inevitable easing of content, and eventual obsolescence. Just RNG at this point. No relevant use? thats up to the player. You don't speak for everybody, nor should you.

The Ironworks Rod should be altered in some way to restore prestige.

Because it used to be difficult to earn, and now is easy to earn? The same could be said about Luminary. It won't be altered to be more potent, as its an achievement reward. Something people will eventually get just by grinding the content.

[ORLYARLY]

One big thing I'd like to see added to Fisher is an off hand tackle box. It doesn't need stats I just want an alternate box to store all the bait.

[liev]

Other than replying by shouting and getting angry, all you have done is actually dismiss information given rather than provide a case against it.[/B]

This is actually hilarious because I provided a case for the Ironworks/Foragers argument over and over and over again. Then, I pointed it out for what it is. It's a red herring. Regardless of how it found its way into the debate, it is not and never was a relevant argument. If you know what a red herring is, which you obviously do not, an explanation for why it is a red herring is unnecessary.

But, here you go

Proposition: Because Ironworks is very hard to get, it should remain relevant in some way. Two possible ways of doing this are making it better stats-wise or improving its appearance.
You: Fisher already got something special. (Read: But that's not fair to Miners and Botanists)
(Commence Ironworks/Foragers argument)

Does your comment have anything to do with the current relevance of the rod or its difficulty to get? No, it introduces a separate argument of fairness. Red herring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring


I also repeatedly provided an argument against your "but retainers!"

You, however, have done nothing but reference an argument that ended at the top of page two.

[liev]

You state in your OP that what you want most of the 2 suggestions is for the ironworks to be brough on par OR MADE BETTER than the ironworks. You said that. Thats the one YOU want. I mean really, how academically inept do you have to be to put that in your opening arguments as the strongest change you want and then act like a diva when people address it?

How academically inept do you have to be to ignore that the OP has two possible solutions listed, and then act like a diva when it's been pointed out that you're only arguing against one of them with the conclusion that both are wrong.

The OP clearly indicates that either a change in appearance or a change in stats would be acceptable.

[liev]

Also, the author has had to, on multiple occasions, update the original piece to deal with the arguments that have been brought up

The main part of the OP has not been touched since its original version.

All changes have been placed under the "Counterpoints" section.

instead he has resorted to the lowest form of mudslinging

The condescension and rudeness began with you, from your initial responses. You don't get to cry now because I got sick of it and returned the favor.

Calling someone incomptant because you can not handle to argument says a lot more about you than it does me.

Completely ignoring any arguments presented against you then repeatedly suggesting that it is I who cannot handle the argument says a lot about you. It suggests that you are, indeed, incompetent.