Ironworks Fishing Rod

[DarkmoonVael]

33x3 = 99 which is still less than 104? That's three Lucis rods for less fish than Ironworks.


The fact remains that you still have to catch 104 more fish to get the Ironworks Rod in the first place. And unless you're getting rods for four retainers, Lucis is less work and better in terms of stats anyway.



Handing out better gear for less work is apparently how MMOs work too?



All of the effort that went into getting a Lucis is literally all of the same effort that went into getting Ironworks with the exception of the clams.

Let's make a road map.
20 Silver Sovereigns --> 3 Olgoi-Khorkoi --> Okay now you can catch 30 HQ clams, open every game day for 3 hours ET OR you can catch 104 more unique fish with time, weather, weather transition, and mooches.

That last one? That's Lucis vs. Ironworks. The only thing I've said is that Lucis is easier to get. Now, hopefully you can understand that 30 HQ clams is easier than 104 more unique fish with time, weather, weather transition, and mooches. I didn't downplay the process of getting a Lucis because it's the exact same process as getting an Ironworks Rod until the last part. I've said that Ironworks Rod is harder to get meaning that catching 30 HQ claims is literally nothing compared to 104 unique fish. This isn't a hard concept.

MMOs work through progression. You get the current best thing, and then you use that current best thing to work toward the new best thing.
Now, considering that you can catch everything you need to get a Lucis with a Forager's Rod and melded AF, Ironworks becomes the ultimate waste of time. It's not a glamour item (see: Luminary). And even if you want to stick to your "but retainers!" argument, that's pretty pathetic for the effort required.


We're not going to agree here. An upgrade is an upgrade. The Ironworks Rod was released alongside all of the Forager's upgrades. Giving fisher a new rod slightly better than Supra is the equivalent of giving miner and botanist a new offhand to go with their Supra. That Fisher had to actually work, and work hard, for the upgrade is just a testament to the fact that the rod should've at least had a unique appearance if its use was going to be limited to a single major patch. Supra lasted two patches and was necessary to progress to the Lucis. Ironworks, again, much harder to get than Lucis, is just left floating useless for any purpose other than "retainers!"


You got the Ironworks rod less than a month ago. You enjoyed it for so long. You had Lucis by at least week two. Very hard to get, obviously.

First of all, it is absolutely irrelevant when i obtained the ironworks fishing rod. If you read carefully how i phrase things, i mad eit quite clear thta i was happy that i got it when it was relevant to ME. Going with your logic, i should actually be more angry than you since i had the rod for less time than you before it came obsolete. I, however, can see the benefits to having th e ronworks rod, even for that length of time. I have given a miriad of reasons why this is the case.

You are, quite simply, plain wrong that the ironworks is the equivalent of the foragers offhands. One is an achievement reward, a main hand and i80. The other is part of the normal gearing for the other classes, is created from crafters like all the other gear apart from the main hands and is i70. Miner and botanists have higher gathering and perception requirements for their nodes, and this is reflected with their requirements to have an offhand tool (currently they need 450/450, whilst fisher needs 403/320........403 gathering for Nepto, 320 perception for HQ mahar for the shinisauriousythingymabob). You are just flat out wrong with this comparison.

As for making the gearing up in an MMO easier, this MMO has already done it, multiple times in the past. This is not new at all. Myth, when it first came out was capped at 300. By just increasing this cap, gearing became easier. Putting coil into DF has made gearing easier. However, as stated many many many times by more than one person, the ironworks is an ACHIEVEMENT reward, and is outwith the normal gear cycle.

Personally I am grateful for my Ironworks, equipped on my FSH retainer doing ventures. And the second Ironworks I gave to my other FSH retainer. Saves me a lot of trouble melding to meet the gathering caps on ventures.

Couldn't agree with this more. And lots of others seem to agree with this sentiment as well .

lawl

I do enjoy doing achievements anyways. I did have at least 2 luminaries. XD

Although... I do really hope the ironwork rod are storeable in armoire, coz it would be a problem if not. ^^;

. I enjoyed getting mine as well . I am glad i got it since i can give it them to my retainers, and send them fishing.