The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Mercutial]

Richard is absolutely spot-on here. I've seen this in action several times now. I know there's a grace-period for spawns, but when something's closing in on the 5-hour mark with half the server parked at the Aetheryte.... you can't help but laugh. I suppose these were the same "park and porters" that used to craft in the major cities and wait for LS notifications. Not enough time for that now.

Again... I still feel like the hunts have become a bit more cordial in the last few days - if a little lazy.

[RichardButte]

Here's how people become "aetheryte campers"...

1. A player searches for hunt mobs while others just camp on the aetheryte until the mob's loc is announced.

2. The mob is found elsewhere. The aetheryte mob immediately runs out and pulls it.

3. The searching player doesn't get credit because they don't get there in time.

4. The searching player gives up and joins the aetheryte crew.

5. With fewer and fewer players searching for hunt mobs, the amount of time to find a hunt mob rises, wasting way more time than the extra 30-60 seconds before a pull.

We absolutely want the real hunters to get credit, otherwise they're going to give up and hunt waits will continue to rise (as they are now).

[Mercutial]

The key is to keep hunting regardless. I actually enjoy it and see why SE wanted to do it. Without the hunts, there would be a few places in the open world which I would have never laid eyes on. Also, it's one of the more relaxing things in the game (really!). Yeah... I've missed a few marks from drawing aggro on the opposite side of the map and sometimes from just being too far away. But I would be bored to tears doing NOTHING at the aetheryte. Maybe people are just watching Netflix, knitting, counting marks in the ceiling... who knows?

[Kosmos992k]

If 60 seconds have elapsed since the mob was first reported in the zone, it's been enough time. The problem is that you're lucky to get 30 seconds (at least on my server), as the aetheryte crew tends to immediately run out and pull.

This is a definable event: as each player who was previously hunting for mobs instead chooses to camp the aetheryte, the amount of time it takes to find a spawned mob will rise, meaning time will be indeed be wasted, but not from waiting an extra 30-60 seconds before pulling.

That's not the fault of any specific person. If the shout goes up that there is a mark and 100 Aetheryte campers show up, someone is bound to be tempted to pull since with a large number of players present the mark will melt, and there is little to no point in waiting. Either way, I don't see how this really has much to do with the whole 'early pull' discussion, it kind of seems more that the problem in what you are describing is a large number of players leeching on others. I dislike leeches...they suck - well, literally leeches do suck, but really, they suck. Not sure what the solution to leeching is, it's been a problem in other multi-player games I have played. I know one thing though, the solution to trolling or leeching players is not naming and shaming as proposed by others since that simply compounds one wrong with another.

[Kyomagi]

and all the complaining would end if they would just add allied seals to Dungeons and pvp

[RichardButte]

Either way, I don't see how this really has much to do with the whole 'early pull' discussion

I'm pointing out how early pullers are harming themselves and actually generating LONGER waits for hunts, which are the very thing they claim to want to avoid by pulling early.

Really, you (the general "you") only hurt yourself by discouraging players to search for the mobs by ensuring it takes ever longer to find the mob...

[Kosmos992k]

I'm paraphrasing your post, but it does not alter the meaning.

They only hurt themselves by discouraging players to search for the mobs by ensuring it takes ever longer to find the mob...

I agree with you, however I feel that the majority of people will react in this manner;

"I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it."

...and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

[NyarukoW]

....and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

.. and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to troll, disrupt everyone else's play, and early pull for lulz.

And at the same time they won't allow us to name and blacklist the troll and won't even want us to talk about tactics to stopping them trolls on the forums.

[RichardButte]

...and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

Heh, I won't argue that, though the problem isn't the leeching so much as the impatience when the mob is eventually found.

[Zedd702]

and all the complaining would end if they would just add allied seals to Dungeons and pvp

Not to mention would get DF juices flowing pretty strongly from those that would tire of the dickery from early pullers...