The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[RichardButte]

How does the person pulling know if everyone that was actively hunting in the zone for that mark is already there or not?

If 60 seconds have elapsed since the mob was first reported in the zone, it's been enough time. The problem is that you're lucky to get 30 seconds (at least on my server), as the aetheryte crew tends to immediately run out and pull.

This is a definable event: as each player who was previously hunting for mobs instead chooses to camp the aetheryte, the amount of time it takes to find a spawned mob will rise, meaning time will be indeed be wasted, but not from waiting an extra 30-60 seconds before pulling.

[Kosmos992k]

If 60 seconds have elapsed since the mob was first reported in the zone, it's been enough time. The problem is that you're lucky to get 30 seconds (at least on my server), as the aetheryte crew tends to immediately run out and pull.

This is a definable event: as each player who was previously hunting for mobs instead chooses to camp the aetheryte, the amount of time it takes to find a spawned mob will rise, meaning time will be indeed be wasted, but not from waiting an extra 30-60 seconds before pulling.

That's not the fault of any specific person. If the shout goes up that there is a mark and 100 Aetheryte campers show up, someone is bound to be tempted to pull since with a large number of players present the mark will melt, and there is little to no point in waiting. Either way, I don't see how this really has much to do with the whole 'early pull' discussion, it kind of seems more that the problem in what you are describing is a large number of players leeching on others. I dislike leeches...they suck - well, literally leeches do suck, but really, they suck. Not sure what the solution to leeching is, it's been a problem in other multi-player games I have played. I know one thing though, the solution to trolling or leeching players is not naming and shaming as proposed by others since that simply compounds one wrong with another.

[RichardButte]

Either way, I don't see how this really has much to do with the whole 'early pull' discussion

I'm pointing out how early pullers are harming themselves and actually generating LONGER waits for hunts, which are the very thing they claim to want to avoid by pulling early.

Really, you (the general "you") only hurt yourself by discouraging players to search for the mobs by ensuring it takes ever longer to find the mob...

[Kosmos992k]

I'm paraphrasing your post, but it does not alter the meaning.

They only hurt themselves by discouraging players to search for the mobs by ensuring it takes ever longer to find the mob...

I agree with you, however I feel that the majority of people will react in this manner;

"I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it."

...and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

[NyarukoW]

....and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

.. and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to troll, disrupt everyone else's play, and early pull for lulz.

And at the same time they won't allow us to name and blacklist the troll and won't even want us to talk about tactics to stopping them trolls on the forums.

[Dwill]

And at the same time they won't allow us to name and blacklist the troll and won't even want us to talk about tactics to stopping them trolls on the forums.

Yes, because nothing bad could come out of a bunch of self proclaimed Hunt vigilante whose evidence would be based on their biased one-sided story spiced with emotional elements to stir the forum toward making the gameplay of other players worse.

[NyarukoW]

... their biased one-sided story spiced with emotional elements to stir the forum toward making the gameplay of other players worse...

We re trying to make gameplay better for everyone, whereas the early pulling troll is getting their lulz from pissing everyone else off. You can see them make trouble at marks after marks and make positive identification of the troll early puller. When the troll is caught lying their with their corpse because the hunt groups knows to hold their fire and let the elite kill them and not res them, there is no bias or one-sided story.

[RichardButte]

...and then many will add "Kill the heretic!", since you want to infringe on their 'right' to leech.

Heh, I won't argue that, though the problem isn't the leeching so much as the impatience when the mob is eventually found.

[Kosmos992k]

Heh, I won't argue that, though the problem isn't the leeching so much as the impatience when the mob is eventually found.

Oh, I meant to add that waiting for 60 seconds or less after a mark is found before attacking it surely does seem like a very short wait - you definitely have a point about that.

On the other hand if a hunt party of 8 find a mark and can beat it, why not? It will be more of a fun fight. I mean, when the hunts were not the favored way of farming things, a party of 8 could happily hunt and engage a mark without annoying the aetheryte campers or anyone else.

The difference now is that the horde has returned - one of the reasons I seldom hunt, and very, very rarely participate in anything involving an A or S rank mark. I probably hunted more after 2.4 and before 2.5 made it fashionable to hunt en masse again. I'll probably wait for it to die down again before participating much in the future. I find it very disappointing to be involved in a hunt for an A or S rank mark, only to see it melt in seconds.