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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthis View Post
    I find it funny that in a number of other threads people have told me that it's an MMO, you're supposed to play together with and help others. When it comes to hunts some of those same people are now basically saying screw everyone else, I will take my reward and not waste a second and the rest of the server be damned.
    I get what you're saying, but I don't feel that's what's happening here. I get the impression that players are trying to clearly define what is considered to be proper hunting etiquette/s and how that may or may not violate the terms of service agreement.

    Most players, not all, but most players are strictly objective when it comes to banning a player for ToS violations. Even if a player is doing something we don't think is polite or courteous, we (as a whole), are reluctant to encourage banning due to the precedent it could set in the future for others. This discussion is one of those examples most objective and responsible players who are in it for the long haul will partake in for the sake of objectivity and fairness, and what that could mean long term for our game.

    People (especially online) are generally selfish and agenda driven. However, when faced with diversity and social complexities most people are able to be objective to a point of rationale. This is one of those cases where people may not like what someone does, but are objectively forced to say it's not a violation of laws or rules.

    For instance, take that guy you know who cheats on his wife or girlfriend. You may not like him, you may think he's a douche, BUT you don't think he should go to prison. I'm sure there are better examples, but I think that example can demonstrate why this discussion is lacking cohesion. Take the example with a grain of salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    I believe every woman who he tries to date should be notified ahead of time of his history, though.

    Sadly, the world doesn't work in such a manner, but in FFXIV we can at least point out who's early pulling so that they can be kept from getting invited to parties accordingly.

    If you're (the general "you") going to act like that one guy in the zombie apocalypse movie who thinks he can make it on his own by taking all the supplies and running, don't be surprised when you meet with the same fate.
    Sadly indeed. But the fact of the matter is that pulling a hunt target early is not a violation within itself. If someone for some unknown reason wants to go out into open world and randomly pull hunts in order to die over and over with no rhyme or reason because that's what they find "fun", they are doing nothing wrong.

    The "wrong" lies in their intention and one's ability to prove that intention. Defaming someone in a public chat has a clear intention and is clearly a violation. Simply saying in a shout "Dear xyzabc123, if you could kindly not pull the next hunt until the hunt party arrives it would be much appreciated" is not in any way harassment and should give the "hint" to anyone interested in blacklisting early pullers.

    I think people should wait for hunt parties, I also believe people should be able to enjoy the game they way they see fit within the parameters set by Square Enix.
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    Last edited by Stihllodeing; 01-31-2015 at 02:15 AM. Reason: response/limit