The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Cadmar]

This part in particular is vague at best. People on have different perspectives on the matter. Pulling the mark quickly can be seen as disruptive behavior to some people, and players that alert other players of said person can also be seen as disruptive behavior to others because it negatively affects their experience.

Seen as disruptive? Maybe. But it falls within the mechanics and design of the game so there is no way it could possibly be considered against the ToS.

[DoctorPepper]

Not sure why you are all still debating this, public shaming via shout is harassment, people get banned from the forums for name shaming and in game it shouldn't be any different. Personally if I see anybody doing this I will blist the person doing the public shaming and report them for harassment.

Seems like people just want to feel special and ruin other people's experience and if you're publicly shaming somebody you're no better than the people you consider "early pullers". You're just another asshole trying to get attention who thinks they're entitled to everything because you pay a sub.

I'm glad hunt linkshells on my server don't seem to be doing this, there is still public shaming but no ls I'm in has ever tried to get specific people blisted. It's sad because a lot of the time the people doing the most shouts are showing up close to 5 minutes after I see the callout in 2 linkshells.

[ColeSlawter]

When you pull before the called time, it is as obvious an early pull as night is from day.

This mentality of yours is the problem. Who made you the one in charge of declaring when a open world mob can be killed?

Let's just assume for a second that you have a hunt LS and I wanted to join your hunt LS. You could have rules for joining which state that I may not pull before the officially declared time and I am not allowed to be the time caller without being promoted to official time caller first. If I agree to your rule, then I get the benefit of every time the LS learns the position of a hunt then I will be notified and nobody else in this same hunt LS will pull before the declared time. This is all fine and dandy in the scope of the LS or even possibly group of hunt LS'.

The problem is that I did not join your hunt LS. Additionally, simply buying the game from SE and having an agreement with them for service did not also bind me to your hunt LS rules. If I don't agree with your rules then I will not join your hunt LS, doesn't mean I have to cancel my sub or move elsewhere. You do not have that authority to declare.

This is similar to joining a PF group vs joining a DF group.

What you are suggesting is the same as saying that you can join the DF as a tank and as soon as the dungeon starts declaring that the healer gear is yours if it drops. It was not agreed upon prior to the dungeon entry so you have no grounds for making such a demand on the other players.

However, if you start a PF group and declare before entry that the healer gear is yours then people have the option to either join or not join. This is like your hunt LS, you make the rules for your group and you enforce them amongst yourselves. You have no room to make demands on me to not pull whenever I want if I have not agreed to your rules.

[NyarukoW]

.... But it falls within the mechanics and design of the game so there is no way it could possibly be considered against the ToS.

Early pulling and wiping people in CT falls within the design and mechanics too. Better yet what does NOT fall within the mechanics and design of the game? RMT/Gil sale is about all you'd get based on that criteria.

This mentality of yours is the problem. Who made you the one in charge of declaring when a open world mob can be killed?

I am not in charge. I usually ask what is the pull time? And people will all put out numbers and people will quickly converge to something. It never hurts to ask for the called pull time. The early pullers think that they are special and can just show up and ignore everyone else, and then call everyone else names when they let them die and won't res them.

What you are suggesting is the same as saying that you can join the DF as a tank and as soon as the dungeon starts declaring that the healer gear is yours if it drops.

Huh? This analogy is doesn't even make sense whatsoever.

Additionally, simply buying the game from SE and having an agreement with them for service did not also bind me to your hunt LS rules.

You are not bound, but you would be advised to be aware and not deliberately early pull. It is like you bought your plane ticket from the airline, but if you deliberately try to cut in line at boarding or whatever you might get way with it a few times but before you know you will likely be talking to authorities shortly after, or make the news like those started fighting on the plane.

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But.. an open world mob that has nothing at all blocking it is open game. ..

Open world or instanced, it does not matter. Beside a elite mark is instanced (you say spawn) for a time at a spot. No matter, obvious trolls are obvious and will do trollish things. This is all easily observable because they want an audience and want to repeat their performances.

[Cadmar]

Keep on believing that lie. When you pull before the called time, it is as obvious an early pull as night is from day.

Ok. I'll bite. Tell me then. Who gets to decide when the pull should happen? What makes you or your LS, or whatever think that you get to tell everyone else how to play? Sorry, but if a mob is in the open world it is fair game 24/7/365.

As for me personally... I'll wait a limited amount of time to pull (like 2-3 minutes) but if someone else doesn't? So what?! I guarantee you.. it will spawn again and life will go on.

[DoctorPepper]

I'll wait a limited amount of time to pull (like 2-3 minutes) but if someone else doesn't? So what?! I guarantee you.. it will spawn again and life will go on.

Annnnd this is the correct way to act like an adult. No need to throw a hissy fit guys, it will spawn again.

[Cadmar]

Early pulling an wiping people in CT falls within the design and mechanics too. Better yet what does NOT fall within the mechanics and design of the game? RMT/Gil sale is about all you'd get based on that criteria.

Straw man at it's finest.

But.. an open world mob that has nothing at all blocking it is open game. Period. If you can't see that I know a very good LASIK doctor.

[Thayos]

people get banned from the forums for name shaming and in game it shouldn't be any different.

If you're going to use forum behavior as a measurement for what's allowed in the game, then a simple "Will Smith pulled the mob" shout will never get anyone banned ever.

[Zedd702]

TBQH I think they should make A & S hunts an instance.

Or perhaps SE could do something like a zone message to all players in the area of the A or S rank spawn, a portal forms at the hunts spawn location, where all people could meet at (or LS's can say Hunt at X location portal has 5 minutes til its closes) before the fight commences, while those waiting are in a lock out circle until the timer runs out. Then everyone that made it there on time gets to fight the hunt, those that don't... Please look forward to the next hunt. The hunts HP can scale to the amount of players that showed up for the instance.

[Izsha]

I don't know if you ever read the constitution, but certainly doesn't delegate nothing to the lower levels. Not that I agree with the state right advocates, but they would argue that states are at least equal to federal level and on more than one occasion they've fought the federal government over those powers, most famous of course was the civil war. Why else is that Colorado has legalized pot and is direct opposition to the federal courts?

Actually the constitution explicitly states that all powers not spelled out explicitly in the constitution are given by default to the states. Welcome to high school govt class. The problem is you think players are states. GMs, RMT teams, forum moderators, the tech guy that bans people etc. Those are the other levels of SE govt. There's SE with broad powers who delegate power to their employees to manage their game on the day to day. Players are not in this chain they click to abide by all of SE'S rules before getting to enter their property (the game) and frolic around with other kids on the playground (actually play their game). GMs are the peacekeepers watching us all act like idiots. They reserve the right to kick yup off their land, issue warnings, etc. They have police power.

Players are GUESTS. Guests have no authority to make rules in someone else's home.