Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Xisin]

I think the mp values should be adjusted before potency on anything is touched, fix things one step at a time as not to break the class, this includes fester for me, naturally with mp savings you won't need to energy drain as much (and maybe it'll become unofficial sch use only - the op cousin of the smn)

That's all I have to add to this discussion otherwise I'd be repeating myself over and over and just arguing.

[Judge_Xero]

I think the mp values should be adjusted before potency on anything is touched, fix things one step at a time as not to break the class, this includes fester for me, naturally with mp savings you won't need to energy drain as much (and maybe it'll become unofficial sch use only - the op cousin of the smn)

That's all I have to add to this discussion otherwise I'd be repeating myself over and over and just arguing.

I'm still not convinced that SMN issues are MP issues. Energy Drain and Fester in themselves are such a small portion of SMN damage outside of the ability to burst damage on mobs.

Just imagine that SMN had unlimited MP. How much could you realistically increase your Damage by. I estimate 15-20 DPS over a 10 minute fight where you aren't having to pace yourself.
+40 Potency/minute using Miasma II with Contagion
More AA damage by spamming Ruin II
100% Fester vs using Energy Drain 1/3 of the time.

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Unfortunately that still leaves SMN behind by a large margin @ i130

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I thought that part of the issue between BLM and SMN was that SMN gear scaling was lower than BLM, thus causing BLM to essentially out-gear SMN at the same iLvl - but after further examination post 2.4 - they scale equally from gear. (other than the way Spell Speed effects SMN)

What I mean by they scale equally from gear is:
100 Potency does X damage for BLM @ iLvl
100 Potency does X damage for SMN @ iLvl

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I did a Potency/s breakdown of SMN (I can't remember where I put it, but I believe it was around 118 Potency/s single target with 100% up time) including the pet.

I'm curious what the average potency/s of a BLM single target rotation is, because I suspect it must be much higher. Not including Thunder/Fire procs.

I'm no BLM - but I estimate that BLM single target potency/s is in the area of 130 Potency/s not counting the benefit of Random Procs, which could probably bring it up to 135 Potency/s.

So that brings BLM 10% higher than SMN given the same gear + the potential for an additional 5%+

[Tex_Mex]

I'm still not convinced that SMN issues are MP issues. Energy Drain and Fester in themselves are such a small portion of SMN damage outside of the ability to burst damage on mobs.

Just imagine that SMN had unlimited MP. How much could you realistically increase your Damage by. I estimate 15-20 DPS over a 10 minute fight where you aren't having to pace yourself.
+40 Potency/minute using Miasma II with Contagion
More AA damage by spamming Ruin II
100% Fester vs using Energy Drain 1/3 of the time.

Xisin has made it abundantly clear that he believes SMN is not in need of a DPS increase. I do not agree with that stance; however, it is important to take smaller steps when buffing classes to avoid one class becoming entirely overpowered. As of right now, BLM is very overpowered when compared to SMN, but if we buff SMN too far than SMN will just become overpowered and we will be in the same crappy situation again.