Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post

Can't really even blame it on gear. I know SMN gets shafted by Spell Speed this gear set, but overall it's a loss of like 20 DET the way that the secondary stats scale. (losing 45 DET but gaining around 60 Spell Speed) Round it up to 6 INT worth of stats and that's like a 3 DPS gain.

Edited: Just wanted to mention that the above is comparing classes close to i130, the difference isn't near that great for i115 or less.
equal classes at i115 SMN is ~20-40 DPS difference. (not counting bard)
I disagree alot with this statement. Consistent testing I have done has considerably shown DET at current in game is quite a powerful stat on SMN. I particularly noticed what felt like a buff to it post 2.4 patch. Usually a decent amount of INT could trump even 1.5 times of it in DET but post 2.4, I have noticed a big shift in that and DET keeps showing me bigger numbers on parse when I sacrificed INT for it (assuming Im getting a decent amount of DET per INT)

Two comparisons me and a SMN friend have been making was my 19 INT vs his 34 DET and which was better. I had more crit then him and was critting MORE then him (20 times roughly).

End parses were quite similar maybe a 3-6 DPS difference on average, in my favor, using the exact same rotation, nothing different. So that 45 DET would stomp on that (60 SS + that 6 INT) by much more then 3 DPS.