MNK needs a minor buffs

[Noahlimits]

I think I probably used the wrong word, I was referring to the "forms" not the stances. Sorry if the confusion hurt anyone's feelings. But hey I was just trying to help.
Leave MNK as it is, let them rot

Let them rot as consistent top DPS with the most utility outside of bard! That'll show them!

[DracotheDragon]

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the annoying thing is with most groups are not afraid to point out when GL3 drops and the auto assupsion of how they think monk can be plaied puts the drops into a major worry ,as with t9 it is a nuisance with losing GL3 during what i have been told as Key DPS moments after double meteor scream, both sets of golems (i have been kicked from parties for not "doing enough damage" or "keeping GL3", the mentality given by other players make this almost mandatory stack loosing worrisome.
(with the not enough damage being due to my slow start up and not due to damage itself)

as with leviviatian that is true it relies on the party which means if i am joining a friend to help i will lose my GL3 every stack while if i farm it with a good group i will have it thoughout the fight that instability makes it more a nuisance then a good thing,

also to those who say monk is the HIGHEST dps, from what i have herd a ninja can still hit higher, and black mages can hit higher, so thats 2 classes (one of which is getting reworked to deal more damage and be more varied) that can out dps monks.

[Truth_Chikara]

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If you've been kicked from parties because you aren't doing enough dps, as a monk (lol), it's not because you dropped stacks son.
Edit: Just read the rest, what the hell? Ninja and BLM aren't even close to MNK. Only competitor MNK's have are DRG right now. If you think otherwise, I have bad news.

[DracotheDragon]

If you've been kicked from parties because you aren't doing enough dps, as a monk (lol), it's not because you dropped stacks son.
Edit: Just read the rest, ... (snipped)

as a PS4 player i have no access to parsers nor to any way of measuring DPS, i have been told the damage i do is extremely good from people willing to parse me, but the groups that tell me what i have stated are groups i find on Party finder, i have been kicked for 'slow start ups' as i have said and loosing GL3 being called a bad monk for losing my stacks, as for the other thing at the bottom though your edit, i have no way to measure this so i have to rely on the word of other people when it comes to dps :\ a parser allowed by SE would fix a lot of misconseptions or prove what classes are the highest DPS, until then people will use any excuse to blame a class for not being a assumed perfect class, :c

[Truth_Chikara]

as a PS4 player i have no access to parsers nor to any way of measuring DPS, i have been told the damage i do is extremely good from people willing to parse me, but the groups that tell me what i have stated are groups i find on Party finder, i have been kicked for 'slow start ups' as i have said and loosing GL3 being called a bad monk for losing my stacks, as for the other thing at the bottom though your edit, i have no way to measure this so i have to rely on the word of other people when it comes to dps :\ a parser allowed by SE would fix a lot of misconseptions or prove what classes are the highest DPS, until then people will use any excuse to blame a class for not being a assumed perfect class, :c

I'm sounding like a d*ck, but really, it's super rare I'm beaten on a parse as MNK in any fight.

[DracotheDragon]

I'm sounding like a d*ck, but really, it's super rare I'm beaten on a parse as MNK in any fight really.

see i don't find it d*ckish to say that, but as said without the ability to see that in-fornt of me, i have to go with others people's words say you were in a party and had no means to know how well or bad your doing but everyone else dose, they could say your doing the worst damage and you'd have no well to tell nor improve :c, but then again it seems now my argument has gone from saying in a few instances loosing stacks is bad into more of a parsing issue, which starts going off topic the OP intended.

[Ashkendor]

the annoying thing is with most groups are not afraid to point out when GL3 drops and the auto assupsion of how they think monk can be plaied puts the drops into a major worry ,as with t9 it is a nuisance with losing GL3 during what i have been told as Key DPS moments after double meteor scream, both sets of golems (i have been kicked from parties for not "doing enough damage" or "keeping GL3", the mentality given by other players make this almost mandatory stack loosing worrisome.
(with the not enough damage being due to my slow start up and not due to damage itself)

as with leviviatian that is true it relies on the party which means if i am joining a friend to help i will lose my GL3 every stack while if i farm it with a good group i will have it thoughout the fight that instability makes it more a nuisance then a good thing,

People that kick you for dropping stacks at double meteor stream apparently don't know much about monks. She's in the air for about 12 seconds and you have nothing to hit. How exactly are you supposed to keep your stacks? I've never played MNK in Leviathan so I'm not entirely sure on the timing (i.e. whether it's actually physically impossible to keep stacks), but I can see it being really hard to keep GL3 up with all the jumping around he does.

also to those who say monk is the HIGHEST dps, from what i have herd a ninja can still hit higher, and black mages can hit higher, so thats 2 classes (one of which is getting reworked to deal more damage and be more varied) that can out dps monks.

The only time a good BLM will have more dps than a good MNK is an aoe situation. Single target, MNK/DRG destroy BLM. Ninja seems to be more bursty than MNK. I see a lot of people mistaking burst damage for dps lately.

[Craiger]

If you're not in top of DPS, then that's just you not being able to handle it correctly... I mean no offense, and I would probably struggle a lot with MNK myself, but I've seen many good MNK's, and they don't need a buff... They are in fact a vital job in raids.

MNK's reduce incoming magic damage some, Mantra can be very useful and they have the highest DPS in the game... Why do they need a buff exactly?

Going by your logic of big numbers, BLM would have the highest DPS in the game...

The famous Greased lighting stacks problem have been a debate for a long time... but you have to balance for the best players out there, not the players that can't handle it. If there was anything that needed change, it would be to make it slightly easier to reach those high DPS numbers, rather than increasing their maximum potential. But I don't think they have to do that, cause if you like it to be slightly easier, then DRG and NIN are good alternatives.

[Sapphic]

I'm sounding like a d*ck, but really, it's super rare I'm beaten on a parse as MNK in any fight.

BLM, NIN and even BRD at the very start of a fight can push ahead of MNK pretty easy (equal geared) but give us a few rotations and we drive ahead very nicely.

A good BRD has some pretty nice initial burst at the start that very quickly drops off in a very short time, same with NIN, there inital burst is good, but they can't maintain it, whereas with MNK we start slower but ramp up and stay there (until disconnects that force us to lose stacks :S )

Then the trick is get back. Which, imo, makes MNK the most fun job.

Hell, even on PLD, first rotation I can peak (for a very short time XD) higher than MNK. In sword oath+ 130 DPS accs.

[Felis]

I think we MNK need more def and more evasion.
And Haymaker need more dmg or a DoT effect ^^
We can just equip Feint from Lancer for the Slow effect.

Hmm, or a enmity reduction on Haymaker, because we hit the enemy hard enough that he forget us ^^
In short, Haymaker need a buff.