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    I would suggest you test B4B Demo against an X-Pot Demo and see which one does more damage, including ticks.

    Then if X-Pot is better, put the X-Pot where B4B is and put B4B after Demo, and if its not, do the X-Pot after Demo.

    Though if you can get B4B off quick enough after Second Snap, or even before Second snap, you can get B4B and IR up at the same time for some of your later Demos, so depending on if you can do that, it might just be better to do the X-Pot after the Demo, where it will also hit your first ToD.

    Unfortunately I can't test it for you. When I do fights where I need the Xpot, I usually just do the Xpot over the B4B and do the B4B later. I feel like the Xpot is a bigger buff than the B4B
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    thank you Ossom ^^
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    I've been going Snap IR Snap B4B Demo > Pot, it seems to work out best especially since the potion animation can bleed into the GCD otherwise.
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    The opener Ive found the best luck with is:

    Demo -> Snap -> snap -> B4B -> Dragon -> IR -> Twin -> X-pot -> Boot -> true -> Demo -> poison -> ToD

    This gets all my buffs up as well as buffing all my hardest hitters and DoT's
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    hey guys, should i refresh dot as soon as a cooldown used ? (bfb/ir) or it's better to let the current dot finished?
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    Let the DoT finish, then refresh it. Its a waste of TP and damage to clip that early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pouncing View Post
    The opener Ive found the best luck with is:

    Demo -> Snap -> snap -> B4B -> Dragon -> IR -> Twin -> X-pot -> Boot -> true -> Demo -> poison -> ToD

    This gets all my buffs up as well as buffing all my hardest hitters and DoT's
    I think you should take the poison pot out of your rotation. the Auto Attack you are losing to use it will do more damage than the poison pot, especially if its buffed with Greased Lightning 3, Twin Snakes, Internal Release, an X-Pot and Blood for Blood.

    From my understanding, using a poison pot can cause you to miss the AA/reset the time for it, but if I am wrong then you can just ignore this lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    Let the DoT finish, then refresh it. Its a waste of TP and damage to clip that early.
    should i refresh DoT when the buff almost finished even if the DoT still have like more than 5 second?
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  9. #649
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    I think you should take the poison pot out of your rotation. the Auto Attack you are losing to use it will do more damage than the poison pot, especially if its buffed with Greased Lightning 3, Twin Snakes, Internal Release, an X-Pot and Blood for Blood.

    From my understanding, using a poison pot can cause you to miss the AA/reset the time for it, but if I am wrong then you can just ignore this lol
    Im pretty sure it doesn't clip but id have to actually do some testing on that. even at i124 I think a poison pot might do more damage over its duration than a non-crit AA.

    I appreciate the heads up though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi91 View Post
    should i refresh DoT when the buff almost finished even if the DoT still have like more than 5 second?
    I almost never see my DoT's line up this way but a fun trick is that say you have B4B up and it has 8 seconds and your at the point in your rotation where you could either snap or Demo. Your Demo has 5-6 seconds and your ToD has 8 seconds. you can through in fracture to drain your timers down to B4B at 6 seconds Demo at 3-4 and ToD to 6. After said fracture you can then Demo and ToD with B4B barely up.

    NOTE: this will cause DK and TS to fall off because you used both fracture and ToD in one form rotation. this a loss of about 40-50 (not exactly sure) potency on your next DK and TS combined, however the buffed DoT damage should outweigh this. Of course the way to eliminate that loss is to not have to refresh ToD when you do this.
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    Last edited by pouncing; 12-22-2014 at 12:57 PM.

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    Opener I've been using:

    PB -> Demo -> Snap -> DK (IR) -> TS (B4B) -> Snap (Howling) -> ToD (Steel Peak) -> Bootshine -> True -> Demo


    I think this rotation does a bit more dps overall than the standard rotation. Could anybody confirm?
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