The Monk Temple Reborn

[Kuroyasha]

Hey, so I wanted to revise the previous opening rotation I posted here. Wonder if anyone can test it out, as I have to rely on static members to parse since I play on the Ps4.

The original rotation was:

PB > Snap > B4B > Snap > IR > Demo > DK > TS > ToD > BS > True > Snap > BS > True > Demo

The Updated rotation is

PB > Snap > IR > Snap > B4B > Demo > DK > TS > ToD > BS > True > Snap > BS > True > Demo

Question about opener: after perfect balance i notice it went to BS twice. Is the DK supposed to stay up by the time I apply the last demolish? I notice it keeps dropping seemingly a split second b4 i apply the demolish after the pb opener. Is that intended or am I not pressing/spamming fast enough earlier in the rotation and/or need more skillspeed?

Another edit for a full i130 set that doesn't use Flint Caviar for people that it's out of the price range for:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXH8
Full i130 at 535 acc with Apkallu Omelette
104.018 STR from secondaries
388 STR from main stat on gear
492.018 STR total from gear

How would that set stack up against this one? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYFA
Loses 58 crit but gains 28 det. Wondering since our Internal Release boosts our crit so much anyway if the 28 det would be better.

[Ricdeau]

How would that set stack up against this one? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYFA
Loses 58 crit but gains 28 det. Wondering since our Internal Release boosts our crit so much anyway if the 28 det would be better.

Overall DPS should be roughly the same with that. There's only a 0.12 STR difference in favor of the set I posted. The one you posted might be a little more stable on dummies since you're trading crit for det, but I think with enough attacks factored in the difference is negligible. There a few different sets that are all within 1 effective STR of each other to fit how people want to gear.

In short, that set is basically just as good.

[Kuroyasha]

Overall DPS should be roughly the same with that. There's only a 0.12 STR difference in favor of the set I posted. The one you posted might be a little more stable on dummies since you're trading crit for det, but I think with enough attacks factored in the difference is negligible. There a few different sets that are all within 1 effective STR of each other to fit how people want to gear.

In short, that set is basically just as good.

I see. Thanks for your response. Trying to save some poe for other class pieces and didnt wanna drop 495 on monk head xD

[Odowla]

Question about opener

Yes DK falls off. It doesnt matter because you have 10% more on the DoT of demolish, which is where all the damage of Demo comes from.

The set you compared against is the BiS set. It is the BiS. Best In Slot - so of course the one you linked loses.
12.412 Str on the Crit vs 9.408 Str on the det.

[Ricdeau]

Yes DK falls off. It doesnt matter because you have 10% more on the DoT of demolish, which is where all the damage of Demo comes from.

The set you compared against is the BiS set. It is the BiS. Best In Slot - so of course the one you linked loses.
12.412 Str on the Crit vs 9.408 Str on the det.

He neglected to point out that his set also has 14 more SS too. So it's got an extra 2.884 STR worth of SS to factor in as well.

[Best-MNK-NA]

Former MNK main. Got the Dread claws from T13 tonight and am trying to relearn MNK to make T13 easier for the healers after stepping away to play NIN since 2.4...

The Updated rotation is

PB > Snap > IR > Snap > B4B > Demo > DK > TS > ToD > BS > True > Snap > BS > True > Demo

Would people still say this is the best opener, now with over a month of testing? When do you add the xpot? I would guess right after the TS before ToD to guarantee the potion delay doesn't stop TS? I was doing Tackle > ToD > PB > Demo > Snap > Snap > IR > DK > B4B > TS > x-pot > BS > sp > True > howling > Snap as my opener but it seems slightly less optimal (especially the pre-PB ToD).


Also, i'm still a bit confused on what the accepted usage of Fracture is. Back in the day I tried to work it in but no long fights could sustain the TP cost. When do you use it in your rotations? And are you only using it because you have a NIN? Our other melee is a DRG (and won't play anything else) so if I go MNK I won't have Goad available. Would that mean never use Fracture?

What's the best time to clip dots, or is it never at all? It seems a strict 1-2s rule on both Demolish and ToD is best to me. ToD is obvious - you reapply it right when it's about to come off, always. Demolish, on the other hand, if it has 3+ seconds left on it when you reach it in your rotation if you clip it then you are guaranteeing a lost tick, where as if you choose Snap instead you also guarantee a lost tick in the ~6 seconds it takes you to get back to Demolish but the damage Snap does is > the lost damage from the lost tick. But if you're re-applying Demolish at 1-2s then you might not lose a tick. Even if you Snap instead of Demolish right as Demolish falls off, that's ~6 seconds (two ticks) before you can demolish again and Snap Punch deals more potency than two ticks of Demolish + its initial hit... as long as you immediately rotate back to a Demolish that should be a dps gain in theory, right? Or am I missing something?

Another similar question: Do DK and TS affect themselves? Does your first TS on a boss do a straight 140 potency or is it really 154 potency (from its 10% damage buff) every time? I operate under the assumption they don't benefit from their own buffs, but wanted to make sure. If they do apply to themselves it makes clipping them at all useless most of the time.

Lastly, the last non-crafted BIS I saw was http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXH8 before 2.5. Do the new 110 accessories change any of that radically? Is it worth picking one up - or does it require a lot of other crafted gear to eek out a few extra STR? The stat gains seem rather minor compared to the cost until you reach 4-5 crafted pieces it seems. If you had to build a budget "BIS" with just 1 or 2 crafted items, what would it be? I see lists with either none or a ton and it's hard to figure out the best option as someone who really can't afford to do any more than 1-2.

[Sapphic]

Hey, so I wanted to revise the previous opening rotation I posted here. Wonder if anyone can test it out, as I have to rely on static members to parse since I play on the Ps4.

My opener is ToD > PB > Demo > snap x2 > Twin > DK > B4B > BS > IR > True> Howling Fist > Snap > BS > Twin > Demo

Fracture I pretty much use only when B4B or IR is up. On T13 my B4B comes a little later due to the first Mega-Flare so I weave it into the rotation depending on when I take damage. Sooner If I take damage on the initial hit, later if I get ringed and have to stack.

Ilvl 126 600 deeps on dummy without pary or pots/food. 560ish in FCoB. Also for perfect timing in reapplying dots you have to take into consideration the time it takes to apply the effect. eg ToD can start applying when the present ticks to 2 and by the time the effect sticks the timer will have just run out keeping it more constant.

[zlotjko]

guys, a nooby mnk here that needs some help.
Can somebody post a full rotation for a mnk?
Currently am having lots of dps issues. ilvl 114 (125 relic, melded ring 90 ,130 boots (t11) , 130 brace (t12), legs 120 (poe) everything else is 110 non-melded ) and i just can't get pass 495 dps on a dummy (no buffs, no pots, no mercy stroke spam).
What i am currently doing is: Shoulder->PB->SNAP->SNAP->SNAP->Twin->DK as an opener then
BFB-> TS -> IR -> Demo -> Steel -> ToD -> DK -> HF -> Twin -> Snap as an introduction to the standard rotation
After that i go standard
Boot -> TS -> Demo (or Snap if Demo is on > 3 sec) -> DK -> Twin -> Snap (or Demo if its < 3sec)
Using all cds as soon as they are available.
But there is no way i can get 500+ dps with this, so am guessing am doing something wrong, but i don't get what...
Also for some reason i can go with a dummy up to 4 min and 30 sec, so is it maybe some lag? I use invigorate when i have <590 tp, for the first time, and can use it one more time before I completely run out of juice
Please help...

For better view my stats are:
Str : 588
Vit : 491

Acc: 527
Crit: 450
Det: 346
SS : 400

[Lewena]

Are you using ToD in your "rotation"?

[zlotjko]

well when it runs out, but i usually wait to refresh twin self-buff to put it on (meaning at worst 3-6 sec without it)