The Monk Temple Reborn

[Best-MNK-NA]

I knew I was missing something in the math and it was the autoattacks. I finally got to test last night and did about 20 dps less doing my proposed priority system over the standard. I figured it might be GCD related since my model was based on 2s gcd and I was at 2.02 with my dread claws, so I switched to the HA (which puts me at 1.98) and still noticed a 10-15 dps loss. Autoattacks explain that perfectly.

With renewed practice and tightening up my opener I seem to be pulling 580 with my current gear without Fracture - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PEU1 (i123 overall) - which seems a little more acceptable than the 570 before. Still unsure how it stacks up with what I should be doing but I don't really see any thing else I can tigthen up.

[SunnyHirose]

Strongest opener I've found to date is the one I've seen Lucrezia's monks using:

(PB) Snap (PPP) Snap (BfB) Demolish Twin (STR pot) DK (IR) Touch...

If you do it right, you get BfB + potion + IR on the second Demolish, and you get that ToD with all the buffs, and you don't clip the first Demolish, which itself has GL2 + BfB. With lower skill speeds, use the cooldowns a bit late in the GCD.

[Kuroyasha]

Strongest opener I've found to date is the one I've seen Lucrezia's monks using:

(PB) Snap (PPP) Snap (BfB) Demolish Twin (STR pot) DK (IR) Touch...

If you do it right, you get BfB + potion + IR on the second Demolish, and you get that ToD with all the buffs, and you don't clip the first Demolish, which itself has GL2 + BfB. With lower skill speeds, use the cooldowns a bit late in the GCD.

How much DPS do they output using this opener? Want to see how Ossum's opener compares to it.

[SunnyHirose]

Well, their dragon kicker did 404 on their i110 T13 challenge, but I guess that doesn't give much of an idea of anything.

It's almost the same opener, really. What you sacrifice is a few seconds of IR uptime, but what you gain is having it stack with GL3 + BfB + Potion and applied to a GL3 Demolish instead of applied to to a GL2 Demolish. How much stronger is it out the gate? I estimate about 50 averaged-out potency ahead if you skip the potion, but then I'm hesitant to share my notes. How much stronger is it in the end? Haha, well, that depends on when you stop the clock; you can certainly come out ahead if using IR earlier gets you another IR usage.

(AFAIK 50 potency should be <126 damage in reasonable and current endgame gear, calculate DPS accordingly?)

[Odowla]

I just tried it without a party. A nice, clean, 600.
Something i couldn't get without a party with the other one. I approve.

[Kuroyasha]

I just tried it without a party. A nice, clean, 600.
Something i couldn't get without a party with the other one. I approve.

Nice. Looks like ill be going with this one.

[ClaireAbigail]

If I recall correctly I believe it's over 550. It has been some time since I did my test though.

Edit - Yeah, I just loaded up 529 SS with what I had on me, and it was still a two GCD loss at 529.

How about having a sch friend putting Selene out? Do you think with that much sks and Selene, would it cut it down to one gcd?

[Ricdeau]

How about having a sch friend putting Selene out? Do you think with that much sks and Selene, would it cut it down to one gcd?

I can probably test that this weekend, and grab a couple other pieces to get more SS if you guys really want to see. Having around 550 I think will be enough to get one GCD loss, but this doesn't take into account ToD. Thinking back I'm actually thinking it was going to be around 750+ SS in order to not drop DK/Twin with double BS/True rotations between, but that's not accounting for ToD either. I might be able to get it down to just one lost GCD though, but I don't think it'll be a realistic build for raiding unless Goad is only being used on you, and have Paeon. If I had known people were going to be interested in this I would have kept the logs and some napkin math I did at the time.

[ClaireAbigail]

Snip snip.

Just got me curious lol. Since like last week, our sch used Selene in t12 to help out the blm and it just got me thinking if it's gonna be a dps loss or gain if I use two behind 1 flank method I know I'll need some baby sitting from my bard sadly no ninja D: but I'm just curious if it's gonna work.

[Odowla]

for bootshine/truestrike x2 you need like 800 or something rediculously stupid to pull it off without any downtime.

As for how you get that much, you need skillspeed in every slot, + Selene in order to have 0 buff downtime. And you invigorate after around 30 seconds. Goad + Full Time Paeon still is not enough to keep up with a 1.7 gcd.