The Ninja Superthread

[Best-MNK-NA]

Best-in-Slot Equipment

Post-T13 - 535 Accuracy:

Flint Caviar - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OWL4
Black Truffle - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OWL6

Not quite, the BIS I listed before (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTEF) beats the first one by 2.028 dex and the second one by 2.239 dex. Do the math before you declare a gearset BIS. Virdiana's are even better though significantly more expensive.

Of course, Flint Caviar is essentially impossible to get in decent quantities unless you're fishing them yourself, so any gearset that includes them (for now) is really kind of unrealistic, at least on my server.

My gearset loses out to Virdiana's both by ~5 dex I think (though it's odd my math doesn't line up with her's in comparison to your BIS lists), so that's the way to go, but for my budget I think I can handle the dps loss.

I think having a "Budget" option that doesn't have any crafted gear (your black truffle set for now, though I bet a better set could be made since yours doesn't use the amazing pants), a "Medium cost' option like mine, and an "Expensive/True BIS" list with Virdania's would be a good representation of the truth.

edit: i have OX05 as 6.363 dex stronger than your flint list and 4.335 dex stronger than my list, so at least the math I'm doing is consistent. Not sure what i did wrong the first time.

[Viridiana]

I think having a "Budget" option that doesn't have any crafted gear (your black truffle set for now, though I bet a better set could be made since yours doesn't use the amazing pants), a "Medium cost' option like mine, and an "Expensive/True BIS" list with Virdania's would be a good representation of the truth.

Yeah, this is probably the best way to handle it, if we can get people on board. I'm just tired of seeing BIS lists that completely ignore crafted gear. I get that it's not a feasible option for most people; heck, I have it listed as a "someday" goal, myself. But I'm sure some people coming to this thread can afford it and might want to give it a shot.

Of course, then it starts getting wonky once you start adding in stuff like Pre-T13 variations and such, but I'm not really sure you can do anything for that. . .

[treuhavik]

I'm just tired of seeing BIS lists that completely ignore crafted gear.

The reason this happens is because the Ariyalas' calulator ignores crafted gear for some reason, even when ideally melded. So, while I normally do compare a few pieces before posting, it would take far too much time to work out every possible combination (I take care of this and my FC site while at work, I'd rather play when I'm home). Thanks for sharing these sets though. Should work nicely for me since I have Head, Belt and Feet penta-melded already.

You guys are probably right about the Pre-"final raid" sets, they do tend to stray pretty far from actual BiS, just thought it'd be nice for those looking to optimize for that encounter or those settling with the vendor weapon.

What I'll do is add a True BiS and Budget BiS using drops/tome gear only.

[Viridiana]

The reason this happens is because the Ariyalas' calulator ignores crafted gear for some reason, even when ideally melded.

Make sure the "ilvl range" setting in the solver is set to 25 or higher. Otherwise, once it settles on the i135 weapon it only drops down to i120 gear for consideration.

[treuhavik]

Make sure the "ilvl range" setting in the solver is set to 25 or higher. Otherwise, once it settles on the i135 weapon it only drops down to i120 gear for consideration.

That makes so much sense. Thank you!

[treuhavik]

This could be my narrow minded way of thinking, but for speed skill, would this only apply if you have 457+?

In the ideal situation with no lag, no mechanics to dodge;
Anything over 457+ (457 x 0.000952 x 15%) will shave 0.5 seconds off your GCD, which will fit 10 actions before jutsu timer is up, anything above a 2.0 gcd, wouldn't dex/det/crit be weighed more?

More I think about it, BiS in this game is situational. The BiS posted, speed skill is what makes that set shine. But not all fights will allow you to stand and attack. Maybe a build with higher crit/det will be more worth wild in some fights.

If you're curious, here's what I'm going for: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXHB

It's 6.459 lower than BiS but, like you mention, all that weight is SkS. This set has 4.171 more weight in DET/Crit and 7 more in DEX. There are probably better options out there but this one fits best with the path I'm on (and it doesn't require any crazy foods).