The Ninja Superthread

[Kanemano]

There's no plateau for DEX, the more of it you have the better as it is NIN's primary stat. Potentially, in certain cases (maybe some of the Arachne), the primary+secondary totals on a particular piece (say, an over-melded craft item) can out-weigh a higher iLvl piece, but there isn't a given DEX cap where you can start stacking in favor of the secondaries and completely ignore more DEX.

[Dervy]

Let's be realistic here, even though using crafted gear has always been part of the BiS, not everyone can afford to get their perfect penta-melds. If anything, they should be in their own seperate list and be an option for those who do desperately want the absolute highest DPS, regardless of cash.

[Best-MNK-NA]

Let's be realistic here, even though using crafted gear has always been part of the BiS, not everyone can afford to get their perfect penta-melds. If anything, they should be in their own seperate list and be an option for those who do desperately want the absolute highest DPS, regardless of cash.

I suppose that's true, but as a newbie I had no idea and never saw crafted items mentioned in any BIS lists. Had I known that certain crafted pieces were things I could (or should) have been seeking out, I would absolutely have done so. Now I know how to figure things out myself, but if there had ever been a MNK guide or post anywhere that made it clear that the Saurian Belt could indeed be BIS (for instance) then that would have been extremely helpful information for a min/maxer like myself.

As I said in my previous post, the idea of having separate tiers of BIS list based on the amount of gil you're willing to spend seems ideal to me. I have the one crafted belt and a less than ideal crafted hat (I loaded it with skillspeed since the materia's so cheap, item cost about 800k total for me and I needed to drop accuracy to accommodate the poetics weapon) and that's all I'll probably buy (especially since no other crafted pieces is that much superior to 130 drops), but they're once again on my radar for possible upgrades thanks to Virdania.

I also don't think a "pre-t13 BIS list" has any relevance since it isn't actually BIS at all and you'd be foolish to spend your poetics catering to that list as opposed to actual BIS, but hey if people think it's useful then by all means go for it. You progress by getting random drops in coil, supplementing by buying poetics gear that is true BIS first and making up accuracy with food or shifting around your outdated gear (110s in this patch), not by shooting for a theoretical "almost BIS but not really" and then having to aim for a whole different gearset when you finally get your BIS weapon drop.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

So curious. For trash in dungeons or adds during a boss fight Just go with Shadow Fang and Mutilate? Or just go Dancing Edge and spam Aeolian combo? Obviously it's just trash so it doesn't really matter too much, but I'd like to know what's considered more effective.

[ShanaShirayuki]

So curious. For trash in dungeons or adds during a boss fight Just go with Shadow Fang and Mutilate? Or just go Dancing Edge and spam Aeolian combo? Obviously it's just trash so it doesn't really matter too much, but I'd like to know what's considered more effective.

For trash pulls, multidot the adds (Mutilate > Shadow Fang) and go with an Aeolian rotation if one is close to dying, such as 50% or under. Typically the adds on most boss fights have low hp, so just an Aeolian combo will suffice. One place where you would want to multidot adds in a boss fight would be in Final Coil, and even then there are a couple adds with low hp, just learn from experience and use common sense is all.

[Dervy]

You have to remember one thing. You'll never get 100% accurate weights - ever. Weights will always change depending on your other stats and will always get less accurate once you start getting further and further away from the baseline value, which is essentially the "middle ground" of the stats for said job. Essentially, what you do is continuously recalculate the weights over multiple different possible sets until they remain fairly stable.

Even if I calc the weights using a set giving me 485 Skillspeed, its weight increases to 0.223 and the rotations PPS increases from 185.09397 to 189.65744 (PPS isn't affected by DET/STR/WD). But then if I recalculate a set using the new weights, and use that set to recalculate weights, I'll get a completely different weighting. Trying to calculate 100% accurate weights are trivial.

But to answer your question, yes, it would increase. But we'd end up chasing our tails if we started taking into account every little detail.

[rappa]

I have problems, maybe will be my skill speed 447 and 2.40 sec. 2.04 with huton.

My actual gear as Ninja http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXEA I am not raiding nin in final coil but i use my bard accesories

I am playing in EU server and will be the problem.

The situation is, sometimes, doing the full rotation i have to clip my dots (5 secs or left) or see they are down when i start the combo to apply.

If i see shadow fang is up (5 secs or less) and i will need huton (19 secs or less). i use spinning edge + huton + shadow fang

[treuhavik]

I have problems, maybe will be my skill speed 447 and 2.40 sec. 2.04 with huton.

My actual gear as Ninja http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXEA I am not raiding nin in final coil but i use my bard accesories

I am playing in EU server and will be the problem.

The situation is, sometimes, doing the full rotation i have to clip my dots (5 secs or left) or see they are down when i start the combo to apply.

If i see shadow fang is up (5 secs or less) and i will need huton (19 secs or less). i use spinning edge + huton + shadow fang

Honestly, based on Shadow Fang, you're probably breaking even by clipping at 5s vs letting it fall off for 4.08s. I'm guessing there's 1 tick in each duration, so you either lose a tick by letting it drop or lose a tick clipping it.

Obviously, it's better to have it line up so that you're refreshing at 1-0s but you aren't gaining all that much by doing so. Let's say each tick of Shadow Fang is 80 damage (actually pretty accurate), and dropping/clipping happens roughly 4 times in a 3 minute fight. You're losing, what, like 1.78 DPS? If this happened all 12 uses in a 3 minute fight, it'd be a 5.3 DPS loss.

Either way, not a huge deal. If it really bothers you, try adjusting your Ninjutsu timing or Skill Speed to line it all up better.


In the off-chance this happens to me (now @ 457 SkSp from 476), I prefer to let it fall off and just follow the priority; DE > SF > M > AE. This sometimes buys me enough time to get BfB or IR up for the DoTs.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OXFW

[Gardes]

Just curious, not a ninja but I'm a warrior ot still going up the fcob turns (t12 atm) and back when my nin is still nin (went back to monk this week due to composition issues between dps apparently), I used to apply the slashing debuff for him. I try my best but it's not always 100% up all the time (mostly just during add spawns) but it worked out fine, I think. Then a couple weeks ago he asked me to stop doing it because apparently he read somewhere it's better for both of us if he applies it for me instead. He mentioned the reason over voip but I didnt hear it clearly and we were already starting a pull and I didn't get to ask him again (forgot).

Anyway, that sounded odd to me. What's the deal?

[Butcherboy]

I think the reason why he told u not to debuff anymore is prolly due to TP usage. That's what I think.