Stoneskin II

[Lavieh]

But it changes literally nothing. It speeds up pulls. That is all it does. And thematically who cares, I'm already using stoneskin...

I don't think it matters either way, I think expressing anger or discontent over it is silly. I think that urging SE to "Do something about it" when there is much more that needs to be done is silly. I also think the mentality of the SCH's that are pushing really hard for it to happen is extremely silly.

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

[SulwynCaliope]

I don't think it matters either way, I think expressing anger or discontent over it is silly. I think that urging SE to "Do something about it" when there is much more that needs to be done is silly. I also think the mentality of the SCH's that are pushing really hard for it to happen is extremely silly.

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

I'm calling SE out on their mishandling of this. What's wrong with that? Or should we just allow SE to implement things in a half assed manner and let it slide because "oh there's more important things to worry about." WHMs fought hard to have this QoL change and were rightly rewarded for their efforts. Why can't SCHs do the same? Because somehow us having the same thing is less worth it?

[Lavieh]

I'm calling SE out on their mishandling of this. What's wrong with that? Or should we just allow SE to implement things in a half assed manner and let it slide because "oh there's more important things to worry about." WHMs fought hard to have this QoL change and were rightly rewarded for their efforts. Why can't SCHs do the same? Because somehow us having the same thing is less worth it?

I just don't understand how SE mishandled this? Stoneskin has always been a CNJ skill, they even get a trait. SCH's just borrow it but it was never theirs. SCH's have had access to Succor since the beginning, I'm sure every WHM would like a skill like Succor, or a big shield to put on the tank like Adlo. There is a lot of QoL things that SCH has that WHM doesnt, that I'm sure every WHM would want but the fact is they are different classes with different skills. This concept is so simple and easy to understand yet you don't really seem to grasp it.

[SulwynCaliope]

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What you're not grasping is that the SCH skills you're talking about are NOT QoL. Quality of Life means that gameplay itself is not affected and it only adds to convenience. How does giving WHMs integral skills of the SCH arsenal not affect game balance? Or do you want versions of succor, aetherflow etc that do nothing in battle? Sure you can have them. Succor lasts 30 seconds and doesn't last long enough to shield most damage on the party so it's pretty useless as a pre shield. Aetherflow is a CORE part of the SCH design. We don't just use it for mana regen and tbh, the mana regen on it for me isn't even the main reason why I refresh it every minute. I refresh it every minute to use up stacks on sacred soil IN BATTLE etc. How would that not be balance breaking? I'm asking for a skill that lets me shave off maybe 10 SECONDS before battle on a full party. How does that even equate to what you're asking for?

Edit: Would you be happy if I said you could have a non game breaking version of any of our SCH skills if WHMs really wanted them? By non game breaking I mean, can only be used out of battle and only serves to better your life in a very small, small way.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

I'm calling SE out on their mishandling of this. What's wrong with that? Or should we just allow SE to implement things in a half assed manner and let it slide because "oh there's more important things to worry about." WHMs fought hard to have this QoL change and were rightly rewarded for their efforts. Why can't SCHs do the same? Because somehow us having the same thing is less worth it?

mis-handling? oh drama mama

SS2 is not SS1, SS2 is a WHM skill and SCHs are not WHMs oh god, just stop.

I don't know about your data center but in mine, tanks NEVER buff the party. Some probably have even forgotten that they have protect and SS cross classed. I've always buffed the party on my own because that's part of my job.

That made me facepalm because clearly you have no idea how SCHs heal. And I'm not saying that SSII isn't an extension of SS. Do you agree though that it's also a pretty useless extension of SS in battle? It's ONLY purpose is to speed up the buffing process out of battle which SCHs do partake in too.

I've just ran a DR with a tank and buffed the party, there, just disproved you.

want to speed up SS buff? get a WHM.

you know whats wrong with this thread? its that you're making it sound like SS is such an fundamental and essential component of SCHs that if SCHs do not buff SS, they're gotta get kicked from the party and they will never ever find a party because a SCH doesn't buff SS and since you're so fixated on the SS AoE buff, please, play a WHM.

Let's just be honest, you wanted the skill because of a perceived convenience, it is not essential to your job and SCHs are not gonna fade into disuse because they don't SS and parties are not gonna call a SCH out for not SS-ing, it is your own choice whether to SS in the unfortunate event that there are no WHM which I find highly unlikely in end game primals and raids.

[Roris]

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

You mean the same resources that were devoted to making Stoneskin 2 happen right after it was suggested at Fanfest, especially when back when it was first suggested on the forums the same type of people had the same "it's not needed it won't have an impact stop being entitled and asking SE for things" mentality? You mean the same resources that also keep being allocated to vanity stuff free or paid and still not fixing other inherent flaws like Benediction and all HP related operations having a very noticeable delay?