Stoneskin II

[SulwynCaliope]

Edit: So my initial post was pretty negative. I get that. Sorry I was annoyed. I'm just looking for some sort of legitimate justification for why SSII wasn't given to SCHs at the outset. The only good response I've gotten is coding issues which I accept might easily be the barrier. However, arguments that this somehow unbalances the synergy between SCHs and WHMs? Seriously? Also, SSII is NOT the same as giving WHMs succor. Can we please stop arguing over whether WHMs deserve succor or not because there's like 1-2 fights in the whole game where there's damage within 20 seconds of the fight beginning and the majority of the party taking damage.

[Lavieh]

Isn't Succor a weaker version of Stoneskin II?

[SulwynCaliope]

Isn't Succor a weaker version of Stoneskin II?

Not really. SSII lasts 30 minutes and stacks with succor.

[Uielyave]

Not really. SSII lasts 30 minutes and stacks with succor.

That 30 minute marker doesn't mean much of anything. Stoneskin II is merely for beginning battle application. After that, it can not be used in combat. We have to use Stoneskin I after that. Half the time I don't even get a chance to cast Stoneskin II as far as I've seen, aside from when i first enter a dungeon or the first few seconds before boss encounter. Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START. After that, you can't do much with it.

Just because it lasts for 30 minutes, doesn't mean it will stay there for 30 minutes.

[SulwynCaliope]

That 30 minute marker doesn't mean much of anything. Stoneskin II is merely for beginning battle application. After that, it can not be used in combat. We have to use Stoneskin I after that. Half the time I don't even get a chance to caster Stoneskin II as far as I've seen, aside from when i first enter a dungeon or the first few seconds before boss encounter. Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START. After that, you can't do much with it.

Just because it lasts for 30 minutes, doesn't mean it will stay there for 30 minutes.

I'm just going to facepalm. :/ That post was in response to someone saying that succor = SCH version of SSII. I was saying that they're not equivalent. Also in battles with smart DPS, I've had SS last almost the whole dungeon and not wear off till the last boss.

[Itseotle]

^ this
/10char

[Parodine]

Are any other SCHs annoyed that we don't get our weaker version of SSII? The addition of SSII into the game was essentially a QoL change. Considering that about 90% of the game can be cleared without having to have a WHM in the party, SCHs should've gotten this QoL change too. There was literally no reason for SE to give WHMs SSII but not give SCH their own equivalent. This just reeks of laziness to me. Did SE even actually think about this carefully before they decided to implement SSII or did they just give it to us because we were whining for it? I can't think of a single reason for WHMs to have SSII but not SCHs.

Just for that, I hope they take away regular cross-class stoneskin from you >=P

EDIT: But in all seriousness, you can have it, don't see why not.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Following the OP's logic, 90% of the game can be cleared without a scholar too.

[SulwynCaliope]

Following the OP's logic, 90% of the game can be cleared without a scholar too.

That was besides the point and you know it. The point was that SSII was implemented because it's annoying to cast SS on EACH member of the party one by one. The game doesn't force you to bring a WHM to instances. This means that there'll be LOADS of times where an instance is being healed by a double scholar combo. WHMs get to hit one button to SS the whole party while SCHs do not. How is this fair?

[Tupsi]

That was besides the point and you know it. The point was that SSII was implemented because it's annoying to cast SS on EACH member of the party one by one. The game doesn't force you to bring a WHM to instances. This means that there'll be LOADS of times where an instance is being healed by a double scholar combo. WHMs get to hit one button to SS the whole party while SCHs do not. How is this fair?

WHM stoneskin is far superior anyway.